[PickledJesus]

I'd recommend this podcast to anyone interested on what ultra-processed foods actually are (and in general): https://sciencefictionspod.substack.com/p/episode-6-ultra-pr...

Spoiler: The science and definitions are... depressingly bad.

[heisenbit]

The key innovation that the UPF category is bringing to the fight is that it is hard to innovate and lawyer around it with complexity.

[rpdillon]

Seems to be because the definition is arbitrarily shaped to fit the agendas of whoever is writing the definition. UPFs seem like the screen time of the 2020s -- an overly vague and mostly useless definition borne out of hysteria around a real issue in how people eat.

Arbitrarily defining foods that have artificial sweeteners as suddenly being ultra-processed is not coherent.