[eisa01]

Toyota's solid-state EV battery promises are almost as bad as Elon's full self driving timeline

Only exception is that they give themselves a bit more lead time "early 2020's" in 2017. Probably because they have an interest to delay competitors EV sales, while Elon is pumping FSD sales

Will be interesting to see which technology comes to market first

https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/toyota-claims-a-leap-that-w...

[simondotau]

A few choice headlines:

2017: "Toyota’s new solid-state battery could make its way to cars by 2020" https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/25/toyotas-new-solid-state-ba...

2020: "Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2021 debut" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25400725

2023: "Toyota Touts Solid State EVs with 932-Mile Range, 10-Minute Charging by 2027" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36353474

2023: "Toyota Only Plans to Make Enough Solid-State Batteries for 10k Cars in 2030" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38374322

[0xbadcafebee]

Have you ever in your life met, or even heard of, a single person who said "I'm not buying an EV because I read a PR piece that Toyota is doing R&D on some weird cutting edge tech thing" ?

[ZeroGravitas]

Worse, I've seen people say they are waiting for hydrogen cars. I've seen them write op-eds to that effect.

Which the Japanese government and Toyota have also been pushing hard for reasons that don't appear to make any logical sense.

The classic examples of "groupthink" used to be the Japanese Navy in WW2 but I think we have a new contender.

[justin66]

> Toyota's solid-state EV battery promises are almost as bad as Elon's full self driving timeline

They’re not even in the same category. Tesla sells a feature called “full self driving.” It’s a fraud.

[LightBug1]

At least there's an actual, verifiable end result for Toyota.

I don't see that for Schrödinger's FSD.

[testing22321]

You’ve never seen a self driving waymo, and extrapolated that to trucks and other commercial uses that will no longer need drivers?

[recursive]

It's verifiable in the sense that you can check whether they followed through, and they did not? How is that better?

[BurningFrog]

All recent model Teslas can use FSD now, at least in the US. It's a $100/month subscription.