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majirdulb | 4 months ago

Otherwise agree, but

>And in most western countries a "school shooting" is nothing a person should even have to think or plan about, and schools don't ever need metal detectors, or to have to plan around such things.

School shootings are still very much a thing where I live (finland), last one being just last year. A country with no guns and supposed to be one of the happiest in the world still experiences them

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showsover|4 months ago

The one before that was in 2008, so a good 16 years between the two. I.e. not something people ever have to think about.

jojobas|4 months ago

All "active shootings" (mostly not school shootings) in the US kill only about twice as many people per year as lightning strikes. Pretty sure not many people think about those.

lz400|4 months ago

You guys had a shooting last year, but school shootings in the US average to ~1 per day

pkroll|4 months ago

Mass shootings in the US, are a little over 1 a day. School shootings are a subset, and as cudgy says, so far 13 this year.

cudgy|4 months ago

Finland be a wee bit smaller than the US and 1 per day in US is a huge exaggeration. 13 total in US in 2024 … you were only off by 1,300% though. Also, Finland has the population of 1/2 of Los Angeles. Wow

Mashimo|4 months ago

When I visited my friend in Finland, we got to an outdoor range to shoot with AK-47 clones (in 5.56 and something bigger) and shotguns with slugs. No instructor need. Was enough that he had a license. Fun times.

Next day we drove with a tank through a forest.

Compared to other EU countries Finland is pretty easy going when it comes to guns.

coldtea|4 months ago

Hardly "no guns" though: "In Finland, approximately 12% of the population owns firearms, with around 650,000 people holding at least one permit for about 1.5 million registered firearms".

Razengan|4 months ago

> A country with no guns and supposed to be one of the happiest in the world still experiences them

Do you know the difference between 1% and 99%? Once every 10 years vs. once every year?

A desert with a single tree vs. a forest with a dead tree, a lake on a continent vs. an island in the ocean.. are those the same things to you?

ifwinterco|4 months ago

I see this narrative a lot from Americans who often hold the EU/Europe (also often conflated when they're not the same thing) as some kind of utopia when it comes to stuff like that.

In reality, while it is nowhere near as bad as in the US, but there are school shootings and similar issues on a semi regular basis across Europe. Guns are still guns and humans are still humans unfortunately

sofixa|4 months ago

> there are school shootings and similar issues on a semi regular basis across Europe

Once a decade at most in most countries. Usually less than that.

Compared to what in the US, once a month?

Yes, guns are still guns and humans are still humans, but it's not nearly comparable.

coldtea|4 months ago

So rarely than don't even register in most EU countries. And when they happen, they're more likely than not, by people inspired by the media exposure of the 10x-30x more frequent US cases.

There is an emerging and more frequent problem with religious terrorism though (people driving cars into crowds, shooting up concerts, etc). A problem created for absolutely no reason by stupid encouragement of mass immigration.

cudgy|4 months ago

Was watching a documentary a few weeks ago regarding the many bomb shelters in Switzerland, and it mentioned that during World War II all adult citizens were required to have a gun in Switzerland and citizens were trained on their use. Switzerland‘s goal was to make itself very difficult to be attacked by Germany and to ensure that all citizens were capable of fighting back. This in combination with the mountainous terrain, and the many fortifications were claimed to be a reason behind Switzerland, not being attacked by Germany. Not sure about the veracity of that though.