[Sindisil]

> They do affect the future population count and this will affect the pension of everyone. They also will result in persons not being born.

So does abstention.

By your logic, then, if sodomy and homosexuality were illegal, then adults of child bearing age would be legally required to have sex.

Likewise, those unable to participate in conception would be prohibited from having sex.

[1718627440]

Preventing misuse does not necessarily mean everyone should do it, so I fail to accept your logic.

Anyways I didn't want to discuss that, my claim was that you either think of something as victimless or you think it is a crime. Your data point seams to only fit this claim. To disprove it you would need to find something you consider victimless, but still think it should be a crime.

[immibis]

Why is misuse of drugs bad? And don't say "because it's misuse" - that would be circular.

I agree that people who think drugs, anal sex, or whatever should be a crime, can also rationalize that someone is the victim. They're wrong, of course, but they still think it.

When you said:

> They do affect the future population count and this will affect the pension of everyone. They also will result in persons not being born. You can say that this is way less of importance then the right to do whatever you want, but it is not without effect to others.

It appeared that you were not just stating what those crazy people who think anal sex should be a crime think, but what you thought. That's why you got replies arguing against the idea that anal sex should be a crime. You could have made it clear if you were just stating the views that crazy people have.