> Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less?
Forgetting bad actions is an essential part of the process of deification, and since ancient times, rulers who sought to be equated with gods would put their or their ancestors images on coins with a deity on the reverse side.
Several coins in the US display slave owners because they are founding fathers, and the practice of putting presidents on coins in the US only began in the early 1900s, with the Lincoln penny, and their portraits on paper money only began 50 years earlier.
In our current era of tech industrialist worship, is it surprising that we do the same for Steve Jobs?
That said, you are absolutely right to bring it up, as a push back against that deification process.
This is one reason I support not putting humans on money. We used to put mythological figures on our coinage (liberty, justice, etc), because the are symbols and are uncomplicated by substance.
Humans are flawed. Putting humans on money -- as symbols -- is going to make us go in circles about their imperfection. From Washington as a slave owner to Steve Jobs suppressing wages.
This is not an issue if we just put the symbols on the money instead of using people as proxies. If we want a coin for innovators, but Providentia on the coin.
> Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less?
What could be a more fitting placement than on a dollar coin? He'll be used to pay employees using an inflating dollar currency, where he can continue to pay employees less in perpetuity.
On the other hand what's more American than eroding workers rights through coordination between rich business owners? Granted there's fewer machine guns on trains involved than in some periods. [0]
I am currently unaware of anyone who has accomplished anything considered historically important over any significant time period to judge, that didn’t have obvious ethical gaps.
Probably nobody lives without ethical gaps.
and the impact of ethical gaps of someone who has been able to achieve a lot, and are more visible to judge, are likely to both be and seem to be, proportionally greater.
Could it be enough to simply honor people who, overall, have done inspiring, positive things, while not giving them a pass for their mistakes and deficiencies, assuming they are legitimately smaller in scale?
I am not a fan of “purity” viewpoints.
so much easier to be severely critical, than open oneself up for judgement.
I am a fan of realism in both accomplishments and failures. The good impact and the bad. And taking inspiration and warning, from those whose accomplishments weigh more heavily to the former.
Being realistic has another advantage.
it doesn’t strongly imply, without actual evidence, that the speaker is somehow less prone to mistakes.
Many people don't even know the Syrian ancestry of Jobs, as per WikiPedia.
Steven Paul Jobs was born in San Francisco, California, on February 24, 1955, to Joanne Carole Schieble and Abdulfattah "John" Jandali (Arabic: عبد الفتاح الجندلي)
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His cousin Bassma Al Jandaly has claimed that Jobs' birth name (prior to adoption) was Abdul Lateef Jandali (Arabic: عبد اللطيف الجندلي).
Perhaps also a good moment to remember this Banksy art
In a rare statement accompanying the work, Banksy said: “We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant. Apple ... only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs.”
A book on the subject came out earlier this year that I've been wanting to read, "Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves" by Nicola Twilley
They said these innovations are what the state is known for, but I've been a Minnesota resident my entire life and didn't know refrigerated trucking was invented here.
During the pandemic there was controversy about who received Moderna/Phizer vs who received J&J's vaccine. They were giving black neighborhoods J&J because it didn't have as strict refrigeration requirements, and a lot of black neighborhoods don't have a nearby pharmacy which can store the vaccines. J&J was thought to be less effective and had a higher rate of vaccine injury though.
weird design for steve jobs.. without context it looks like the depiction of some spiritual leader (which maybe is a bit funny given the early apple fanbase). I get he was a bit of a hippie, but that's not exactly his claim-to-fame
> His posture and expression, as he is captured in a moment of reflection
i dont associate "reflection" with him. not to disparage him in the slightest, but its just not in the top ten of things i associate with him.
I then made myself laugh by trying to imagine a depiction of Bill Gates in the same pose
If you scroll down there is a description explaining the pose:
> This design presents a young Steve Jobs sitting in front of a quintessentially northern California landscape of oak-covered rolling hills. His posture and expression, as he is captured in a moment of reflection, show how this environment inspired his vision to transform complex technology into something as intuitive and organic as nature itself. Inscriptions are “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” and “CALIFORNIA.” Additional inscriptions are “STEVE JOBS” and “MAKE SOMETHING WONDERFUL.”
I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds.
I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine.
I did not discover the mathematics I use.
I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate.
I am moved by music I did not create myself.
When I needed medical attention, I was helpless to help myself survive.
I did not invent the transistor, the microprocessor, object oriented programming, or most of the technology I work with.
I love and admire my species, living and dead, and am totally dependent on them for my life and well being.
The “over 1 TFLOPS” claim for the M1 appears to be for single precision floats whereas FLOPS performance figures for supercomputers, including the one given for the CRAY-1, are almost always based on double precision (FP64) floats. The double precision FLOPS performance of the M1 would be lower, perhaps half of the single precision performance.
I had just gone down this rabbit hole for unrelated reasons (looking into yields). Nvidia's 5090 die is 750 mm^2, managing 419 TFLOPS on the FP16 benchmark.
Presumably some, although HPE don’t use the old Cray logo, and the name is a bit downplayed when they talk about their supercomputer stuff, although it is still used (like most old computer companies, naturally they’ve ended up owned by HPE, who seem to collect them).
if the intent is to bring attention to technological innovations, Jobs was not a technological innovator, despite what the decades of PR would lead you to believe. If we want to argue that he was a promoter of tech innovations, in his capacity as a businessman, I would find that less objectionable but I still don't think Jobs is the guy we should be highlighting, given his track record of screwing over the people doing the actual work and innovating. (though depending on how cynical you are, that is perhaps exactly the type of person that the Powers That Be would want to push as the face of innovation)
He created Apple, and then came back to save them from bankruptcy and made them profitable within months which none of their other CEOs leading up to his return could.
The way he got the notoriously staunch record labels on board with their $1/song plan to make iTunes possible and make music infinitely more convenient and accessible overnight was unforeseen.
Not many people have repeatedly proven themselves many times over like he did. I do believe he was one of the greatest business men of all time, and for all the things you can complain about with Apple, I'm glad they exist to inject some sense of taste into computing, and a standard for every other computing device to be compared to (cue examples of bad design decisions that came from Apple. Don't bother, doesn't disprove my point)
Innovator has a broader meaning than the individual who wrote the program or built the circuit. Setting the direction and vision for technology is a big deal.
The engineers were very smart but it’s hard to see us knowing their name or having such an impact on technology without Steve. Woz was destined for a comfortable 30 year career at HP.
I’d say these celebrate entrepreneurship more than innovation. Nothing wrong with that, but it does bother me that the true innovators often don’t get credit outside academia and enthusiasts well versed in the history.
Apple II was not the first usable by mere mortals PC. There’s a lot of contenders but one of the earliest came from Georgia:
Cray was not the first multiprocessor wide vector supercomputer, but it did innovate on it. I’d say Cray broke more fundamental innovation ground than Apple.
Woz is awesome and as an engineer I understand the urge to say he’s the main one who should be honored but we have to be realistic. Jobs ushered in 2 eras, only 1 with Woz. The personal computer and the computer in everyone’s pocket.
That’s not touching any of the other areas like helping to drive Pixar. Woz did not have a second act, which is perfectly fine and I deeply respect him but he doesn’t have quite the same cultural impact.
I mean we're talking about a country which boils down to "What would happen if we maximized capitalism with no regard for other things?", and while I both admire and despise Steve Jobs, he feels like the perfect individual to put on a US coin.
Maybe its simply my personally opinion, but I agree with @tylerflick with the opinion that why not Dennis Ritchie. Sure, Jobs was a ridiculously effective *promoter*, and there is without a doubt a place for that role in the world...But i guess when i think *innovation* i think Ritchie, Woz, Cray, Admiral Hopper, etc...not, like, the business folks...but maybe i'm being too harsh?
Before Steve Jobs, UX was an afterthought in much of software development.
It was he and Apple that really drove the tech industry to recognize that User Experience and developing simplified products for non-specialists matter.
Even the Mint gives that explaination for why he's included as an "innovator".
Norman Borlaug's story is amazing. He brought modern farming practices to Mexico and created a new strain of high yield disease resistant dwarf wheat at quadrupled wheat production in the country. Did the same in India, Pakistan, and Africa. Saved a billion lives as a result. Solved food as a limited resource for the first time in human history. We've now gotten to transcend food scarcity as a society.
It's super cool that the US Mint is commemorating his work.
They are "designed" for circulation, but only ever get sold as collectors items. Banks won't stock them but you can order rolls or bags of them from the US mint for a little over face value (I ordered a roll of the space shuttle ones to the UK)
I'm not sure what stops the USA using dollar coins in circulation, I assume there's no legal requirement for banks to stock them?
(The fact that's there's currently at least three different sizes of US dollar coin that is legal tender probably doesn't help either)
The $1 dollar notes are very economically inefficient (they don't last all that long, haven't had enough value to justify notes for a long time), and the mint has been trying to get people to stop using them and switch to coins for a long time. However, there is significant popular opposition to that, people seem to massively prefer notes.
At one point you could order $1 coins from the mint at face value and with free shipping, and they were really happy when they thought that lots of people were starting to use them. They were less happy when they realized just a few people were purchasing them on credit card with cashback, and just instantly depositing them back at the nearest bank to pay their credit card bill.
There are 1 dollar coins and 50 cent coins. The issue is that they've never had consistent designs/sizes so machines don't take them and people don't recognize them. To my mind, this is the primary reason they haven't caught on
The Cray-1 supercomputer icon looks like the outline of burning man's black rock city. Wonder if there was any inspiration from Cray-1 supercomputer's design.
I'm writing this from a Mac when I ask this. Has Apple actually created anything that could arguably have changed the world? Resistant crops, the Cray, mobile refrigeration all changed the world. My iPhone's nice, but it's not exactly on the same level. Is there anything from Apple that I'm missing?
The iPhone absolutely changed the world. I agree - it is not on the level of the green revolution or refrigeration. It still led to one of the largest paradigm shifts in end user computing, taking it from the desk or table at work or home into the hand, everywhere, for everyone.
The irony of all of this is of course not only that effectively no one has used any of the $1 coins since the introduction of the Sacagawea, when their value had basically halved since then, just based on official inflation fraud numbers; so it is unlikely anyone will ever see these coins either, unless you make a deliberate point to acquire and use them.
The government is clearly trying to do away with the freedom of coinage and bills, intentionally and unintentionally through its inflation fraud, and that decline of America is rather ironically encapsulated in this kind of cheapening of the currency in several literal and figurative forms.
And these coins are not even made of any durable metals that could survive history until another civilization can collectively wonder about how America could have ruined itself so quickly, after rising so rapidly.
They could have at least made these coins at least silver or gold, so some future intelligence could at least find them. But here we are, the government creating tokens with cheap iconography made of cheap materials and a face value that literally cannot even buy you a cup of colored sugar water anymore.
Frankly, who cares? Beyond saying “that’s nifty” while looking at the images of the designs; who here expects to ever see one of these “in the wild”?
Have you seen any of the 40 presidential dollar coins in the wild? How about the 29 “American innovation” coins that precede this set? Heck, how often have you seen a Sacagawea in the wild, considering there were probably about 2+ billion of them minted by now?
When Steve Job died all major newspapers, magazines and television news shows dedicated major space and time to report his death.
One week after someone far more important died: the co-creator of the most influential computer program in history (Unix) and the most influential programming language in history (C). Very few news media outlet reported the death of Dennis M. Ritchie.
I argue that Ritchie's legacy runs deeper and wider than Jobs'. Almost all CPUs and microprocessors existing today run code that was implemented using technologies created by Ritchie, from ABS breaks to satellites. But, even in this forum, many people don't know about him.
What happened to Trump promising to cancel the penny? It was a genuinely good idea that should have carried on to the nickel and dime. (I’m divided on $1 and $2 coins.)
Treasury stopped minting it reportedly back in May of this year. It’s officially still valid denomination and with tons in circulation, it’s doubtful it will be going away anytime soon.
Yes, the US Mint sells all of the coins in the American Innovation set to the public. Previous years’ coins can still be bought if they are not sold out.
themafia|4 months ago
Alternatively why not Seymour Cray instead of the Cray-1?
Or why not use one side for the inventor and the other side for the invention?
Jobs sitting there in an empty field just throws the whole set for me.
Suffocate5100|4 months ago
ahoka|4 months ago
pk-protect-ai|4 months ago
Why it is a CEO? Why Jobs and Edison?
It is just how it is...
shevy-java|4 months ago
This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way):
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo...
See:
"[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."
danans|4 months ago
Forgetting bad actions is an essential part of the process of deification, and since ancient times, rulers who sought to be equated with gods would put their or their ancestors images on coins with a deity on the reverse side.
Several coins in the US display slave owners because they are founding fathers, and the practice of putting presidents on coins in the US only began in the early 1900s, with the Lincoln penny, and their portraits on paper money only began 50 years earlier.
In our current era of tech industrialist worship, is it surprising that we do the same for Steve Jobs?
That said, you are absolutely right to bring it up, as a push back against that deification process.
scoofy|4 months ago
Humans are flawed. Putting humans on money -- as symbols -- is going to make us go in circles about their imperfection. From Washington as a slave owner to Steve Jobs suppressing wages.
This is not an issue if we just put the symbols on the money instead of using people as proxies. If we want a coin for innovators, but Providentia on the coin.
bArray|4 months ago
What could be a more fitting placement than on a dollar coin? He'll be used to pay employees using an inflating dollar currency, where he can continue to pay employees less in perpetuity.
rtkwe|4 months ago
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre and several other incidents.
Nevermark|4 months ago
Probably nobody lives without ethical gaps.
and the impact of ethical gaps of someone who has been able to achieve a lot, and are more visible to judge, are likely to both be and seem to be, proportionally greater.
Could it be enough to simply honor people who, overall, have done inspiring, positive things, while not giving them a pass for their mistakes and deficiencies, assuming they are legitimately smaller in scale?
I am not a fan of “purity” viewpoints.
so much easier to be severely critical, than open oneself up for judgement.
I am a fan of realism in both accomplishments and failures. The good impact and the bad. And taking inspiration and warning, from those whose accomplishments weigh more heavily to the former.
Being realistic has another advantage.
it doesn’t strongly imply, without actual evidence, that the speaker is somehow less prone to mistakes.
tylerflick|4 months ago
NoSalt|4 months ago
avazhi|4 months ago
larodi|4 months ago
Steven Paul Jobs was born in San Francisco, California, on February 24, 1955, to Joanne Carole Schieble and Abdulfattah "John" Jandali (Arabic: عبد الفتاح الجندلي)
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His cousin Bassma Al Jandaly has claimed that Jobs' birth name (prior to adoption) was Abdul Lateef Jandali (Arabic: عبد اللطيف الجندلي).
Perhaps also a good moment to remember this Banksy art
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/dec/11/banksy-...
(...from where we read..)
In a rare statement accompanying the work, Banksy said: “We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant. Apple ... only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs.”
legitster|4 months ago
He singlehandedly set the anchor price of the entire industry so low that he set in motion the whole freemium/monetization/enshittification trend.
smeeger|4 months ago
fujigawa|4 months ago
Oh no, he only paid them $300k/year? How did they survive without selling their kidneys to the black market?
throw0101d|4 months ago
The logistical chain for keeping products products is really interesting:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_chain
Besides food, another area where it is critical is pharmaceuticals.
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[1]:https://www.npr.org/2025/09/26/nx-s1-5553615/gustavus-swift-...
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keiferski|4 months ago
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/mt/science/jobsalone.jpg
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JKCalhoun|4 months ago
I like the photo though. Maybe I'm just a hi-fi dork. Is it a McIntosh tube amplifier behind him? Would be befitting.
contrarian1234|4 months ago
> His posture and expression, as he is captured in a moment of reflection
i dont associate "reflection" with him. not to disparage him in the slightest, but its just not in the top ten of things i associate with him.
I then made myself laugh by trying to imagine a depiction of Bill Gates in the same pose
vanderZwan|4 months ago
That is funny, although nothing will ever top Deborah Feingold's 1985 photoshoot where he lies on his desk and flirts with the camera
lossyalgo|4 months ago
> This design presents a young Steve Jobs sitting in front of a quintessentially northern California landscape of oak-covered rolling hills. His posture and expression, as he is captured in a moment of reflection, show how this environment inspired his vision to transform complex technology into something as intuitive and organic as nature itself. Inscriptions are “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” and “CALIFORNIA.” Additional inscriptions are “STEVE JOBS” and “MAKE SOMETHING WONDERFUL.”
cubefox|4 months ago
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4D12AQHLC366nJwa1A/art...
baxtr|4 months ago
To: Steve Jobs, sjobs@apple.com
Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM
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JKCalhoun|4 months ago
Or, you know, just early Steve Jobs.
derektank|4 months ago
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duxup|4 months ago
It also makes no sense to not include a computer. I get the “California theme but Steve and hills and trees doesn’t jive.
noufalibrahim|4 months ago
xixixao|4 months ago
https://majorspoilers.com/2013/10/17/toys-legend-toys-announ...
But the famous photo I do know doesn't match it:
https://milenanguyen.com/blog/steve-jobs-20s-the-head-of-a-h...
SaberTail|4 months ago
Very quickly:
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keiferski|4 months ago
The Jobs coin has Jobs himself.
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hbn|4 months ago
The way he got the notoriously staunch record labels on board with their $1/song plan to make iTunes possible and make music infinitely more convenient and accessible overnight was unforeseen.
Not many people have repeatedly proven themselves many times over like he did. I do believe he was one of the greatest business men of all time, and for all the things you can complain about with Apple, I'm glad they exist to inject some sense of taste into computing, and a standard for every other computing device to be compared to (cue examples of bad design decisions that came from Apple. Don't bother, doesn't disprove my point)
alephnerd|4 months ago
Just implementing something isn't enough. You need to also be able to ensure that it is usable by non-specialists.
And this is something that Jobs really drove in the tech industry in it's early days, when non-technical users were basically an afterthought.
That is the reasoning behind their choice for Jobs, and honestly it's a valid one.
groundzeros2015|4 months ago
The engineers were very smart but it’s hard to see us knowing their name or having such an impact on technology without Steve. Woz was destined for a comfortable 30 year career at HP.
api|4 months ago
Apple II was not the first usable by mere mortals PC. There’s a lot of contenders but one of the earliest came from Georgia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compucolor
Cray was not the first multiprocessor wide vector supercomputer, but it did innovate on it. I’d say Cray broke more fundamental innovation ground than Apple.
mettamage|4 months ago
They got the wrong Steve.
dbish|4 months ago
That’s not touching any of the other areas like helping to drive Pixar. Woz did not have a second act, which is perfectly fine and I deeply respect him but he doesn’t have quite the same cultural impact.
CaptainOfCoit|4 months ago
mxuribe|4 months ago
alephnerd|4 months ago
It was he and Apple that really drove the tech industry to recognize that User Experience and developing simplified products for non-specialists matter.
Even the Mint gives that explaination for why he's included as an "innovator".
sskates|4 months ago
It's super cool that the US Mint is commemorating his work.
grumpy-de-sre|4 months ago
ta12653421|4 months ago
(Im not from the US, so Im not aware of local specifics)
RobotToaster|4 months ago
They are "designed" for circulation, but only ever get sold as collectors items. Banks won't stock them but you can order rolls or bags of them from the US mint for a little over face value (I ordered a roll of the space shuttle ones to the UK)
I'm not sure what stops the USA using dollar coins in circulation, I assume there's no legal requirement for banks to stock them?
(The fact that's there's currently at least three different sizes of US dollar coin that is legal tender probably doesn't help either)
thaumasiotes|4 months ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony_dollar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacagawea_dollar
Dollars are worth a lot less now than they were. If vending machines start charging integer numbers of dollars, maybe dollar coins will catch on.
Y_Y|4 months ago
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ada1981|4 months ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/07/22/138610663/doll...
stevenjgarner|4 months ago
[1] https://www.usmint.gov/coins/coin-programs/american-innovati...
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Tuna-Fish|4 months ago
At one point you could order $1 coins from the mint at face value and with free shipping, and they were really happy when they thought that lots of people were starting to use them. They were less happy when they realized just a few people were purchasing them on credit card with cashback, and just instantly depositing them back at the nearest bank to pay their credit card bill.
contrarian1234|4 months ago
rkomorn|4 months ago
There are also collector-oriented coins but pretty much none of those are actually intended for use.
Edit: fun fact, there are also $2 bills (but those are way more rare and someone might not believe it's real).
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esafak|4 months ago
Borland was the software company.
Maybe I missed the joke?
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hopelite|4 months ago
The government is clearly trying to do away with the freedom of coinage and bills, intentionally and unintentionally through its inflation fraud, and that decline of America is rather ironically encapsulated in this kind of cheapening of the currency in several literal and figurative forms.
And these coins are not even made of any durable metals that could survive history until another civilization can collectively wonder about how America could have ruined itself so quickly, after rising so rapidly.
They could have at least made these coins at least silver or gold, so some future intelligence could at least find them. But here we are, the government creating tokens with cheap iconography made of cheap materials and a face value that literally cannot even buy you a cup of colored sugar water anymore.
Frankly, who cares? Beyond saying “that’s nifty” while looking at the images of the designs; who here expects to ever see one of these “in the wild”?
Have you seen any of the 40 presidential dollar coins in the wild? How about the 29 “American innovation” coins that precede this set? Heck, how often have you seen a Sacagawea in the wild, considering there were probably about 2+ billion of them minted by now?
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diego_moita|4 months ago
One week after someone far more important died: the co-creator of the most influential computer program in history (Unix) and the most influential programming language in history (C). Very few news media outlet reported the death of Dennis M. Ritchie.
I argue that Ritchie's legacy runs deeper and wider than Jobs'. Almost all CPUs and microprocessors existing today run code that was implemented using technologies created by Ritchie, from ABS breaks to satellites. But, even in this forum, many people don't know about him.
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mindcrash|4 months ago
EDIT: And forgot to mention Jef Raskin, who together with Woz played a pivotal role engineering the first Macintosh in 1984.
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aanet|4 months ago
I wonder if these coins are available for purchase by the general public? anybody know?
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derektank|4 months ago
https://www.usmint.gov/coins/coin-programs/american-innovati...
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