[mcdow]

I really want to choose Phoenix, but I can't get over the fact that LiveView is front-and-center. The whole web-socket model just seems so brittle to me.

[lawn]

Although I agree that LiveView sucks up too much air in the ecosystem, you can just ignore that and develop web apps the standard ways of you want.

[mcdow]

Oh ok. Is it still worth learning without LiveView? E.g. in my case I’m much more proficient in Python. Is it worth the jump, over something like Django?