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agrounds | 4 months ago

Scala 3 has failed to be widely adopted, and now the language as a whole is more or less dead. Not that that’s due to the 2-to-3 transition entirely.

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pjmlp|4 months ago

That happens to all guest languages unless that have unique selling points that make that differention happen and take off on their own, as genesis for their own platform.

See all platforms that have their identity tied with a specific language, the platform's language always has a guaranteed future as long as the platform continues to be industry relevant.

The others on top, come and go.

hinkley|4 months ago

I was part of a book club of tech books and there was a ton of grumbling when we went through the Scala book. The consensus was this language was designed by nerds instead of language designers. Which either sounds like not a big deal or an insult worth dueling over depending on how much you pay attention to language designers and DX.

Full of Least Surprise violations, and just far too goddamned big. Did 3 try to pare that back into something reasonable?

patates|4 months ago

I haven't been following, now I'm sad to hear... Scala is really dead? What'd be the JVM alternative?

codr7|4 months ago

Don't know about Scala alternative, but the language I've found most enjoyable on the JVM is definitely Kotlin.

orthoxerox|4 months ago

It's not dead dead, but no new projects are choosing it. Those that chose Scala as the better Java can now just use the better Java from the latest JDK.

dustingetz|4 months ago

the OO/FP fusion hypothesis resulted in a complicated language on the OO side (too complicated for enterprise application layer) and on the FP side an autistic culture war at the seam between FP frameworks. Functional Scala remains world class at high reliability services such as video streaming at Disney+ and Comcast, and Amazon search but not so much the Java everyman use case that I recall it being marketed for 15 years ago. And now the Scala leadership and the industry frameworks are pulling in different directions, Scala is academically funded.

dzonga|4 months ago

Ruby, Clojure, Kotlin n dare to say Groovy