[pdt409231]

Lots of people, esp on HN, will say J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests. From the other perspective, what happened was a bunch of disgruntled republicans saw the riots that summer, among many other things, and rather than burn down Minneapolis, they took their grievances to the one place that actually could make a difference - the politicians in DC. Instead they were led thru the halls of the Capitol (by the police!) and the resulting footage used to frame the whole debacle as an insurrection. Certainly they were some angry protesters, but the premise that they intended to overthrow the govt by stopping the certification ceremony doesn’t even make sense, since nobody would have recognized it.

[exasperaited]

The riot wasn’t the attempt: it was the threat of violence that underscored the attempt, which was to happen in the chamber when Mike Pence chickened out (ask Chuck Grassley).

Only for once he didn’t chicken out.

Trump’s obvious, incandescent anger at Pence not doing his bidding makes it clear what that whole “protest” (along with Trump’s own plan to join it) was all about.

Any other interpretation is really a ludicrous, bad faith reframing of quite commonplace behaviour in attempted overthrows.

[reddozen]

> Instead they were led thru the halls of the Capitol (by the police!) ... but the premise that they intended to overthrow the govt

You could have just said you didn't read the John Eastman memo and left it there. Or any of the Jack Smith findings. There was a coordinated top-down plan to violate the Electoral Count Act, its not even hidden. Just say you have no clue what you're talking about next time

[throwawayq3423]

His account was created four days ago and he's exclusively posting January 6th denialism. Neither of us should have taken the time to feed the troll.

[pdt409231]

> You could have just said you didn't read the John Eastman memo

Show me where exactly in the Eastman memo, the so called "coup plot", it calls for a group of protesters to go into the Capitol?

Spoiler: It doesn't. So it's actually you who hasn't read the memos. If anything, it shows Trump sought to remain president by legal means, a gray area at worst, but nothing to do with the "violent insurrection" claimed.

> Jack Smith findings

You mean the cases that were thrown out by the courts? And another that he closed himself? In other words, they had 4 years and found nothing. You are innocent until proven guilty, and ultimately he proved nothing.

Just say you have no clue what you're talking about next time.

[throwawayq3423]

> J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests

I'm not a fan of shameless whataboutisms, but this one is particularly bad. The attempted insurrection on January 6th had nothing to do with Black Lives Matter riots (Funny, you can never say those words. It's always an abbreviation).

It was a premeditated attack on the Capitol at the exact time and place the new president was being certified.

It is the most cut and dry example of an attempted coup this country has seen in decades, and it was organized and executed by the sitting, and current President.

There's no reason for you to try to remake history. Your guy got back into power and made all of his legal problems disappear.

He has not avoided prison because he was somehow not guilty. He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system.

[dotancohen]

  > He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system.

I don't live in the US so maybe I don't understand, but this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant.

[actionfromafar]

That one of the J6 insurrections was shot dead was just for shits and giggles, of course.

[pdt409231]

Bear in mind these people are very much pro-gun and believe the 2A is there to protect against the govt. If they had intended to violently overthrow the govt, it would have been very apparent. Yet not a single bullet was fired from the protestors. As you pointed out, the only ones doing the shooting was from the police towards the pro-trump people. That lady was unarmed, and was shot while climbing thru a window. (Considering this [1] was the standard for 'peaceful protests' at the time.) Hardly qualifies as self defense, and had this been any other situation the policeman would be stripped of his badge and jailed. But of course, Biden's DOJ declined to prosecute.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/SNVVJFX2IVP2NLXEUPMJJMH2S...