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deliriumchn | 4 months ago

no, not really, PQC is already being discussed in pretty much every relevant crypto thing for couple years alearady and there are multiple PQC algos ready to protect important data in banking etc as well

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cyberpunk|4 months ago

I don’t really understand the threat to banking. Let’s say you crack the encryption key used in my bank between a java payment processing system and a database server. You can’t just inject transactions or something. Is the threat that internal network traffic could be read? Transactions all go to clearing houses anyway. Is it to protect browser->webapp style banking? those all use ec by now anyway, and even if they don’t how do you mitm this traffic?

Where is the exact threat?

bawolff|4 months ago

> those all use ec by now anyway

As far as i am aware, eliptic curve is also vulnerable to quantum attacks.

The threat is generally both passive eavesdropping to decrypt later and also active MITM attacks. Both of course require the attacker to be in a position to eavesdrop.

> Let’s say you crack the encryption key used in my bank between a java payment processing system and a database server.

Well if you are sitting in the right place on the network then you can.

> how do you mitm this traffic?

Depends on the scenario. If you are government or ISP then its easy. Otherwise it might be difficult. Typical real life scenarios are when the victim is using wifi and the attacker is in the physical vicinity.

Like all things crypto, it always depends on context. What information are you trying to protect and who are you trying to protect.

All that said, people are already experimenting with PQC so it might mostly be moot by the time a quantum computer comes around. On the other hand people are still using md5 so legacy will bite.

chuckadams|4 months ago

Flooding the system with forged messages that overwhelm the clearinghouse having to verify them sounds like a good way to bring down a banking system.

conradev|4 months ago

The big threat is passively breaking TLS, so it’s browser traffic. Or, any internet traffic?