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bzalasky | 4 months ago

One thing that might not be apparent to non-chess players is that an experienced human (particularly a GM or Super-GM) with an engine can often beat the same engine or another engine that lacks human assistance. There are some positions, particularly in closed games where this can become more of a factor. It'll be interesting to see if a similar logic plays out in other fields. I imagine that some companies may be quick to automate away roles to save money, however, if you follow what we've learned about chess, there's likely an opportunity to make a bet (start a company) on AI-assistance outperforming full AI automation in some domains.

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jobigoud|4 months ago

We obviously wish for this to be true so we must be careful with our own bias. It's not clear at all that "centaur" teams are better at chess than computer alone, are there actual tournaments where this is tested?

I remember this was a topic in early 2010's and then it was said that the human team member was already not contributing much anymore. In a blitz game it would most likely be detrimental.

neaden|4 months ago

Centaur Chess (the term for this) used to be better but outside of some positions that I don't think have ever occurred in an actual game, no human can help out a modern chess engine.

medvezhenok|4 months ago

I think this was true before AlphaZero; now, I'm not sure there's any benefit to having a human + engine versus just an engine alone.

From my understanding the AlphaZero based engines (i.e. neural nets) do not really benefit from having a human in the loop.

measurablefunc|4 months ago

Chess is a closed system w/ finitely many rules. I don't think success in closed domains transfers to open ones & this is the usual error optimists are making about AI & its success in closed domains like chess. Continuous learning is necessary for open domains b/c real world distributions are constantly changing & unless deployed systems can keep up w/ the changes their performance will continuously degrade until they're worse than random. Chess has been the same for millenia & that's why chess is essentially solved.