[JTbane]

> My leadership is currently promoting "better to ask forgiveness", or put another way: "a bias towards action"

lol, that works well until a big issue occurs in production

[ponector]

But then it also works. Managers can scapegoat engineer who is asking for forgiveness.

It's a total win for the management: they take credits if initiative is successful but blame someone else for failure.

[idrios]

Which brings it full circle to engineers saying no to product releases after being burned too harshly by being scapegoated

[Aperocky]

That assume big issue don't occur in production otherwise, with everything having gone through 5 layer of approvals.

[treis]

In that case at least 6 people are responsible so nobody is.

[hkt]

Many companies will roll out to slices of production and monitor error rates. It is part of SRE and I would eat my hat if that wasn't the case here.

[crabbone]

The big events that shatter everything to smithereens aren't that common or really dangerous: most of the time you can lose something, revert and move on from such an event.

The real unmitigated danger of unchecked push to production is the velocity with which this generates technical debt. Shipping something implicitly promises the user that that feature will live on for some time, and that removal will be gradual and may require substitute or compensation. So, if you keep shipping half-baked product over and over, you'll be drowning in features that you wish you never shipped, and your support team will be overloaded, and, eventually, the product will become such a mess that developing it further will become too expensive or just too difficult, and then you'll have to spend a lot of money and time doing it all over... and it's also possible you won't have that much money and time.

[dekhn]

Yes, I was SRE at Google (Ads) for several years and that influences my work today. SRE was the first time I was on an ops team that actually was completely empowered to push back against intrusive external changes.

[itronitron]

I suppose that's a consequence of having to A/B test everything in order to develop a product

[mgiampapa]

Have we learned nothing from Cambridge Analytica?

[munk-a]

We learned not to publish as much information about contracts and to have huge networks of third party data sharing so that any actually concerning ones get buried in noise.