[AfterHIA]

I can't concur enough. We don't teach, "how to design computers and better methods to interface with them" we keep hashing over the same stuff over and over again. It gets worse over time and the effect is that what Engelbart called, "intelligence augmenters" become, "super televisions that cause you political and social angst."

How far we have fallen but so great the the reward if we could, "lift ourselves up again." I have hope in people like Bret Victor and Brenda Laurel.

[ricksunny]

Hey - tried to reply this to the earlier thread on Mansfield, but evidently there's a timeout on reply-to's. Anyway appreciated your response (my not responding is often just me contemplating..:) ) Grokipedia found this on Mansfield which I've found is adding additional context about Mansfield's motiviations: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.169.3943.356 (can read in sci-hub) . The Vietnam war thematic background was helpful - Google Gemini agreed with you and the Grokipedia article seems to add support to it as well, (though not directly tying to Sen. Mansfield's motivations).

It's funny, my impression had been that Mansfield was legislating from a heavily right-wing standpoint, of 'Why are we tax-and-spending into something that won't help protect the sanctity of my private property?" I was pleased to see the motivations were different. The fact that so few have articulated why the invoke Mansfield underscores why I was able to adopt such an orthogonal interpretation of Mansfield's amendment prior to this discussion. All the best AfterHIA. -ricksunny