[FlameRobot]

> I also get Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and other alt-right pipeline dorks in my recommendations solely because of my gender and age. I never engage with political content on YouTube and I’ve cleared my watch history multiple times, these still show up.

That doesn't happen. Firstly you literally click on the video and say "don't recommend channel" and you will never see a JRE episode again.

Also, just by how you phrased that whole paragraph. I don't believe you are telling the truth.

None of those characters are "alt-right". "alt-right" essentially means White Nationalist.

You cannot tell me that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are White Nationalists because of their support for Israel and one of them is Jewish. White nationalists really don't like Israel and Jewish people. They however were labelled as "alt right" to smear them, by other political commentators and publications who are typically on the left and American.

You would only use that framing if you were listening to those commentators and/or publications that used similar phrasing.

Also Jordan Peterson actually talked about addiction on a Joe Rogan podcast and it was one of the things that put me on the road to dealing with my drinking issues. I stopped listening to Joe Rogan about episode 1000 after they stopped being live and were prerecorded.

I have plenty of criticisms of them now. But I Jordan Peterson did help me at least indirectly. I don't watch either of them anymore and haven't watched them for quite a number of years at this point.

[m0llusk]

There are some subtleties here. One of my friends and I are both interested in camping and outdoor gear. This keeps causing YouTube to recommend videos on prepping and guns. Go ahead and block channels and select less of this and it sort of works for a while But then it comes back with more. There are lots of prepping and guns channels. Maybe a pepper who talks about gardens gets highlighted or a gun thing that has a manufacturing complication or business hook comes up. There are many such channels, lots of content, and the connections are very strong, at least with YouTube recommendations.

[FlameRobot]

That happens on car repair vids as well. I like this channel for example:

https://www.youtube.com/c/WatchWesWork

He fixes up a lot of different type of vehicles and actually explains in detail what he is doing. A lot of car stuff is just people like do a dyno test of like suped up car, I don't find it very interesting. I end up just blocking those channels.

I really think that people are nitpicking a system that works reasonably well for the most part.

[Sammi]

Rogan, peterson, and shapiro might not like the alt right, but the alt right sure likes them. At which point do they become willing accomplicies?

[FlameRobot]

The alt-right does not like them. You don't know what you are talking about.

[skinnymuch]

You’re too focused on labels. Humans don’t work that neatly. Political labels can work if you and the other person are educated on politics (95%+ of HN isn’t) but otherwise focusing on labels mislead the convo and vibe.

A lot of white nationalists love Israel. Saying they don’t is like saying a lot of fascists don’t love fascism (aka Israel). A lot don’t and a lot do.

Similarly there are plenty of people who are progressive except for Palestine/Israel (it’s a known saying). And plenty of conservative or right wing people who are not progressive except about Palestine.

> You would only use that framing if you were listening to those commentators and/or publications that used similar phrasing.

Projection

[FlameRobot]

> You’re too focused on labels. Humans don’t work that neatly.

No I am using the terms correctly. You (from later on in your reply) aren't.

> Political labels can work if you and the other person are educated on politics (95%+ of HN isn’t) but otherwise focusing on labels mislead the convo and vibe.

These are specific political positions that are held by prominent members. Calling Ben Shapiro a white nationalist is simply idiotic. If you aren't informed about it, maybe you should not make strong claims about it.

> A lot of white nationalists love Israel. Saying they don’t is like saying a lot of fascists don’t love fascism (aka Israel). A lot don’t and a lot do.

No they don't. No white nationalist would support the Jews or Israel. I am sorry you are simply showing your ignorance.

As an aside, Fascism is a wildly misunderstood and misused term. I actually loathe ever talking about it today because like the term "Nazi" it has been totally misused by idiots. You do not understand the term fascist.

> Similarly there are plenty of people who are progressive except for Palestine/Israel (it’s a known saying). And plenty of conservative or right wing people who are not progressive except about Palestine.

Obviously there are splinter groups in any organisation that believe different things. Those people btw are referred to differently.

> Projection

No at all. I am just calling it as I see it. I also lost any good will I would have had with you in the conversation as a result of this jab.