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UebVar | 4 months ago

Arabic, even. An outlier, as it is AFAIK the only arabic dialect that is not written with the arabic alphabet. Also it's far removed from other arabic dialects.

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skissane|4 months ago

Maltese isn’t an Arabic dialect. Yes, the grammar and phonology and core function words derive from Arabic, but more than half of the vocabulary comes from Italian/Sicilian-North African Arabic may borrow a few words from Italian here and there (just like English does), but not >50% of their vocabulary.

englishrookie|4 months ago

By your reasoning, English isn't a Germanic language since over half of its vocabulary comes from Latin or French.

findyoucef|4 months ago

It's not at all far removed from the North African dialects of arabic which is the dialect that it's derived from. Tunisians and Algerians can understand Maltese quite well.

arbuge|4 months ago

> Tunisians and Algerians can understand Maltese quite well.

Not in my experience. Not at all actually. My experience with Arabic speakers is that they think they're understanding when you speak Maltese, because it sounds kind of familiar, but in actual fact they're not understanding much at all.

Which is not surprising after a thousand years of divergence.

beeforpork|4 months ago

Oh, stop it! What are you really trying to say? 'The same language' is usually just a desguised nationalistic claim. Ask yourself: what is the advantage of a language over a dialect or vice versa? Why are you fighting for it (or against it)?

Linguistically, it does not matter -- there is no objective definition of the difference between a language, a dialect, or whatever -lect.

coldtea|4 months ago

>'The same language' is usually just a desguised nationalistic claim

It's the opposite: "it's a different language" is usually just a nationalistic desire for differentiation of what are essentially dialects/variants of a language.

>Linguistically, it does not matter -- there is no objective definition of the difference between a language, a dialect, or whatever -lect.

That's more because academic linguistics, as developed in the latter half of the 20th century, had to pay lip service into several ideologies, rather than there not actually being good practical ways to discern e.g. arabic as a single basic language with different variants.

saturnite|4 months ago

I looked it up. It was surprising to see that it's written left to right in basically the Latin alphabet with a few changes.