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seidleroni | 4 months ago

As someone who works with firmware, it is funny how different our definitions of "bare metal" is.

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embedding-shape|4 months ago

As someone who does material science, it's funny how our definition of "bare metal" is so different.

onionisafruit|4 months ago

As someone who listens to loud rock and roll music …

amluto|4 months ago

Ask an astronomer what a “metal” is.

Joeboy|4 months ago

Wikipedia still thinks it means the thing I (and presumably you) do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_metal

Edit: For clarity, wikipedia does also have pages with other meanings of "bare metal", including "bare metal server". The above link is what you get if you just look up "bare metal".

I do aim to be some combination of clear, accurate and succinct, but I very often seem to end up in these HN pissing matches so I suppose I'm doing something wrong. Possibly the mistake is just commenting on HN in itself.

embedding-shape|4 months ago

Seems there is a difference between "Bare Metal" and "Bare Machine".

I'm not sure what you did, but when you go to that Wikipedia article, it redirects to "Bare Machine", and the article contents is about "Bare Machine". Clicking the link you have sends you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_machine

So it seems like you almost intentionally shared the article that redirects, instead of linking to the proper page?

andrewl-hn|4 months ago

In similar way I once worked on a financial system, where a COBOL-powered mainframe was referred to as "Backend", and all other systems around it written in C++, Java, .NET, etc. since early 80s - as "Frontend".

embedding-shape|4 months ago

Had somewhat similar experience, the first "frontend" I worked on was a sort of proxy server that sat in front of a database basically, meant as a barrier for other applications to communicate via. At one point we called the client side web application "frontend-frontend" as it was the frontend for the frontend.

pgwhalen|4 months ago

I don't work in firmware at all, but I'm working next to a team now migrating an application from VMs to K8S, and they refer to the VMs as "bare metal" which I find slightly cringeworthy - but hey, whatever language works to communicate an idea.

ghaff|4 months ago

I'm not sure I've ever heard bare metal used to refer to virtualized instances. (There were debates around Type 1 and Type 2 (hosted) hypervisors at one point but haven't heard that come up in years.