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ethagknight | 4 months ago

I was hoping to see a comment like this. These sorts of “global collaborations” seem to always end with the US carry all the water, and the goal from the other countries perspective is to throttle the US. Like the Paris Accords.

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JoshTriplett|4 months ago

> and the goal from the other countries perspective is to throttle the US. Like the Paris Accords.

Which is not inherently a bad thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

etiennebausson|4 months ago

Interesting dataset.

It would be a lot fairer to display tons of CO2 per inhabitant I think.

And that's before taking into account imported CO2.

tgma|4 months ago

A good thing from whose perspective? From the perspective of US it would always be a bad thing. Why would you ever want to concede something and limit yourself without proportional concessions.

nonethewiser|4 months ago

But think about it from the perspective of a US that wants to reduce carbon emissions. Why not simply throttle carbon emissions directly?

jppope|4 months ago

Super weird that they don't factor in productivity at all. Don't take me the wrong way I hate the fact that the United States thinks the only way to do anything is to burn fossil fuels, but that doesn't change the fact that our output per capita has got to be 10x the countries we are being compared against in this article.

DevKoala|4 months ago

> I was hoping to see a comment like this. These sorts of “global collaborations” seem to always end with the US carry all the water, and the goal from the other countries perspective is to throttle the US. Like the Paris Accords.

I agree 100%.

I don't see the benefits here.

izacus|4 months ago

Do you have even a slightest proof for your claim?

twothreeone|4 months ago

If you're trying to convince someone (other countries the US) the burden of proof is on you.

nonethewiser|4 months ago

Proof for his claim that this is how it seems to him? Isn't the proof self evident - he said it seems that way. Obviously this doesn't immediately make it true but asking for "proof" mischaracterizes the nature of his statement.

lovich|4 months ago

You know what the fun fact that everyone I hear complain about the US spending more than is fair on international projects ignores or appears ignorant of?

When you’re the one carrying the water, you get to decide where the water goes.

I actually prefer regimes like NATO where everyone is happy to leave the US in charge and doesn’t arm themselves. For all the projection of “strength” the current admin gives off, they are on their way towards reigning over a kingdom formed from the ashes of the republic's empire

whimsicalism|4 months ago

I prefer multilateralism, but I do think there are challenges when every country that isn't the biggest smashes the 'defect' button as many times as they can.

rpmisms|4 months ago

OK so can everyone else please pay?

_3u10|4 months ago

Most US foreign aid is delivered as bombs, and/or directly funding the terrorists.

And if not directly funding the terrorists, creating a situation so stupid that it will lead to a fresh batch for next years war.

Neither the people paying for it, nor the people receiving it want it to be done that way.

estearum|4 months ago

What about non-proliferation treaties which have prevented the vast majority of countries from bankrupting themselves in an existential sprint to nuclear weapons?

brazukadev|4 months ago

Don't worry, China is willingly replacing the US in these global collaborations.

BoredPositron|4 months ago

Say what you want about this treaty but China is running circles around you regarding Paris.

HFguy|4 months ago

What point are you trying to make? I'm honestly not sure. Is it that China is polluting a lot? Or a little? That they are making environmental progress? Or none?

glonq|4 months ago

Yes like the Ottawa Treaty banning Land Mines, in which 166 inconsiderate countries failed to consider the needs of big-time land-mine manufacturers like the US.

/s

sschueller|4 months ago

Like throttling the US from committing war crimes?

brabel|4 months ago

Poor US always being bullied by everyone else. What kind of world have you been living in where the reality is not the exact opposite??

colechristensen|4 months ago

Eh, there are a bunch of these kinds of treaties the US won't sign because for most of the signatories they're inconsequential but they're a huge lever for other countries to take sovereignty from the US.