[paustint]

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[tomhow]

This may be a common, valid political position, but it's not the style of participation we're wanting on HN. The guidelines make it clear that HN exists for curious conversation, and we're hoping for this to be a place where people can discuss difficult topics with sensitivity and nuance. In the very best-case scenario maybe we can work together to find new ideas for addressing age-old societal challenges like this. In this form, such an argument is repetitive flamebait and makes HN seem more like a political rally than a constructive discussion. Please make an effort to observe the guidelines in future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[hsbauauvhabzb]

Is there a way of viewing flagged comments or are they permanently gone forever? The lack of readability prevents understanding replies, even if the original post is unwanted.

[sanex]

They do without scanning your and my social media profiles. You download the CBP one app after showing up to the border and handing over your passport from your home country which they confiscate before letting you in. They also dont need to throw you in a cage or deport you too an African country you have no connection to either. These aren't deportations it's terrorism.

[notepad0x90]

What a deceptive thing to say. I don't doubt that you know very well that every US administration in the past 50 years agrees with what you said. The thing people don't like is goons dressed in military attire, and covering their faces zip-tying children, and US citizens, then disappearing them without trial or due process.

If they simply obtained warrants, arrested people, treated them with dignity, let them have a trial, and then deport them, then the only objection would be why $50B is being wasted on rounding up non-violent migrants, or why the business owners that hire them aren't in prison as well.

You can't claim that your goal is to enforce the law, and then find pesky little things like due process, and warrants inconvenient.

[15155]

> $50B is being wasted on rounding up non-violent migrants

How many dollars did these "non-violent" (economic) "migrants" expend in emergency room resources?

How many productive citizens died (and how much financial loss was incurred) because of their (mis)use of these finite systems?

[mindslight]

Well said. If any of this were actually about immigration, it wouldn't be nearly as alarming.

After decades of being conservative and having their politicians sell them out, Republicans got really angry and gave up on conservatism in favor of radical destructionism instead. Rather than finding better politicians to represent them, focusing on workable policy (go after the employers), generally being less gullible, and so on, they decided the appropriate response was to throw the whole idea of Constitutionally-limited government in the trash in favor of a strongman con artist promising to magically solve it all. And they've convinced themselves they're on the right path because it makes "liberals" mad. Where of course a "liberal" is anyone concerned by throwing our Constitution in the trash.

[knollimar]

Do they just get to unilaterally trample over rights to do this? Any impediment should be removed at any cost?

Most of these apps are akin to filming police; protected speech in my book. I won't say anything bad about surveillance in the streets/online, but it's upsetting that they abuse their power to prevent monitoring and reporting their abuse of power

[coderatlarge]

i am not a lawyer, so please treat this as more of a question: my belief was that whether it’s ok to film in a public place is a matter of state law.

[ashton314]

At the cost of misidentifying innocent citizens and deporting them? These surveillance technologies have way too many false positives.

Pray you never have to flee your country to escape violence or persecution. Most of these people are just desperate.

[garyfirestorm]

one would argue that an immigration system that is actively hostile towards people who follow the rules (downright arcane) results in this issue. even a fairly skilled h1b worker (say a doctor working in rural area) has no real pathway to citizenship, let alone a temporary farm labor... i am not condoning the illegal immigration, just pointing out the root cause. we wouldn't be in this situation if we had a true reformed immigration system.

[15155]

How many doctors are flowing in on H-1Bs across the Darién gap?

[kinakomochidayo]

So why are American citizens getting detained?

[barbazoo]

Or even just detained or arrested.

[rorylawless]

And people should have the technology to monitor this kind of overreach.

[notepad0x90]

It isn't, breaking the law while trying to enforce the law is.

[_DeadFred_]

Americans traditionally weren't this happy to give up hard won rights to privacy/freedoms for a little easier immigration enforcement. It is pretty shocking to see how ok the Infowars/Libertarian/small government types are with intrusive, biometric surveillance, and expanding a government agency in such a wasteful way it makes the TSA look meticulous.