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flemhans | 4 months ago

Why is the <div> option proposed by anyone in the first place?

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wrs|4 months ago

Based on what I see in the world, I suspect one reason is that a <div> makes it easier to apply some bizarro appearance to the button, so it not only doesn’t act like a button, it doesn’t even look like a button.

mcny|4 months ago

This comes from either business or the UX people who want stuff to look pixel perfect to their stupid wireframe.

Why does a website that sells to a pretty much captive audience who cares more about functionality than looks obsess so much about every single button looking pixel perfect to some arbitrary wireframe, I will never know.

Joker_vD|4 months ago

Well, have you been on, I don't know, TV Tropes? They have those long lists, that are separated into "folders" on a single page. You can click on those "folders" to expand/collapse them, and it's implemented as a <div> with "onclick" property and <ul> inside it (well, used to IIRC; nowadays this <ul> is a child of a sibling <div>).

zahlman|4 months ago

> You can click on those "folders" to expand/collapse them, and it's implemented as a <div> with

... Isn't that what <details> and <summary> are for?

1-more|4 months ago

what's annoying about that example is that all of those <div>s could be buttons with no other changes. The only content inside the button <div> is the title and folder icon, not the list of examples associated with that title. That's just fine for a button!

The other thing I'd do is add `aria-controls=folder0` to the button that toggles visibility of the list with `id=folder0`

cferdinandi|4 months ago

The most common reason I've seen is whining about having to override default button styles.

no_wizard|4 months ago

I too have encountered this reasoning.

Then I write some basic CSS and show them they have nothing to fear.

Yet, I still remain irritated beyond belief that its such a common thing. In 2025. Hell, in 2017!

I don't know what to do about it, other than constantly remind people about things, but it gets tiring.

Though, its a great interview question. Its a quick way to understand if someone knows the fundamentals or not.

Kinda like how people got ".bind" wrong on functions for years.