[whou]

> All western economies are socialist nowadays. There doesn't exist any hyper-capitalistic economies. What hyper-capitalistic economies are you talking about?

What? How are any of "western economies" socialist AT ALL??

Do the workers on "all western economies" own the means of production in any way, shape, or form?

[personomas]

Socialism = lots of social welfare

You sound like an ignorant american. Germany prides itself on being a socialist state. It's even anchored in their constitution (Article 20): "Germany is a democratic and socialist state."

Lots of other european countries are similar in this regard to Germany. The word socialism is well integrated in almost all european countries except for the english speaking ones. Most European countries consider themselves to be socialist states.

> Do the workers on "all western economies" own the means of production in any way, shape, or form?

You're drawing from some sort of book definition, like an ignorant american. You don't understand what "socialism" means.