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josephh | 3 months ago

But then who can? No global cloud providers, including Hetzner and OVH, are free from CLOUD act because they have US presence[1].

1. https://us.ovhcloud.com/legal/faqs/cloud-act/

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Sayrus|3 months ago

OVHCloud US is a different company from the rest of the world.

https://blog.ovhcloud.com/cloud-data-act/

formerly_proven|3 months ago

The separation is even in the URLs, all the locales are using paths, except the US, which lives under us.ovhcloud.com. All locales use a customer console hosted at ovh.com, except the US, which has it under us.ovhcloud.com.

josephh|3 months ago

You can't just spin up an LLC and call it a separate company. OVHCloud is still OVHCloud US' subsidiary company.

From the FAQ page I linked:

> In accordance with our Privacy Policy, OVHcloud will comply with lawful requests from public authorities. Under the CLOUD Act, that could include data stored outside of the United States. OVHcloud will consider the availability of legal mechanisms to quash or modify requests as permitted by the CLOUD Act.

timeon|3 months ago

Who? You can use Hetzner and OVH proper instead of US subsidiaries. Using AWS/Azure/GC in Europe these days is pretty risky for more than one reason.

segfaultex|3 months ago

I think we'll see a lot of companies moving away from public cloud providers in the future, but I don't think it'll be because of any privacy-related concerns.

It rarely makes economic sense to deploy workloads onto the public cloud unless you have critical uptime requirements or need massive elasticity.

AlanYx|3 months ago

FISA and the Stored Communications Act as modified by the CLOUD Act don't distinguish between (i) parent company overseas + US subsidiary and (ii) parent company in US + foreign subsidiary. In both instances the US asserts personal jurisdiction, extending to wherever the data is stored geographically.

jeffrallen|3 months ago

Exoscale is a European cloud provider with no exposure to the CLOUD Act.

(I work there.)

immibis|3 months ago

Possibly only their US subsidiaries though?

dboreham|3 months ago

I'm guessing: Russia?