Just keep everything in your inbox, find recent things by scrolling down, and anything beyond that is basically inaccessible, since the search is so bad
(I'm in camp archive everything, delete nothing; but see the Neither camp frequently in colleagues)
Your kids collect stones and sticks. You collect emails, and probably browser tabs and desktop icons. When you move to new PC, all your desktop files ends up in a directory called New folder on the new pc’s desktop and the journey to fill the new desktop starts over before you have New folder and New folder 2 on the upcoming pc.
Trash, Archive, Folders in Folders, Tags, forget it!
Where is it? In the Inbox. If it's unread, I need to do something, if it's read, I don't.
Although if my clients start to slow down, I will export and delete the oldest year from my personal email. So I guess I do technically archive. But only in bulk and begrudgingly.
- appointments, receipts, ... snoozed until day before use/event, then deleted afterwards
- newsletters, automated messages deleted after read
- promotions, discounts, ... deleted immediately
The trash serves as a 30-day buffer for things I may need to recover, e.g. shop discounts I threw out that I end up needing before they expire.
I also use Fastmail's expiration period on my inbox, so anything older than 1 month is deleted too. If it received no action in 1 month, the chances it was actually important are close to zero.
Which camp is it if you don't even look at or read email unless you know there's something specific you need in it? I have 100,000 unread but that's because I did a concerted cleanup sometime in the last couple years. I even unsubscribed to a bunch of stuff. I am planning to tackle it again this month. I've heard of people who use Black Friday as a good trigger on what to unsubscribe from as every company wants to send you something for that.
> I've heard of people who use Black Friday as a good trigger on what to unsubscribe from as every company wants to send you something for that.
That's a good idea. I also use app updates to decide whether I actually need to keep an app on my phone. (There is a convenient "remove" swipe on that screen, so I'm not the only one.)
Once we take care of the bulk of emails that way, it's easier making decisions on the items in the inbox. I usually delete if it's some automated email (e.g. calendar reminder, etc). I archive if it's personal or may have some useful information I want to refer to later (e.g. notification that my electricity bill was paid).
But I lie. Even when I "delete", I don't delete. I merely tag it as "deleted". It's always there on my hard drive. Normally when I do a search, I have to specify "and not tag:deleted".
And those quarantined emails? I neither delete nor archive. They just stay there with the "quarantine" tag.
I haven't seen this option yet: archive things you think are important, delete things you think are not important, but don't permanently delete anything. Just use archive and trash as folders of differing degrees of importance. If you run out of storage you can manually delete some of the oldest items in the trash and be pretty sure you didn't need those things (but this will never be necessary because who runs out of email storage).
>Archive: Anything you have a feeling might be useful
>Delete: Anything you’re pretty sure would be useless in the future
Basically what I do, but the problem for a certain type of mind is that "might be useful" is a pretty broad category to fall down. "Years and years of Perl mailing lists in case I want to search them instead of SE/PerlMonks/etc." Yeah, in theory. "Any newsletter I haven't ever read?" I mean, in theory I might search for something from 2011. "ThinkGeek purchases from back in the day?" Yes, definitely! So, in practice, just archive, and let your search results be polluted by daily newsletters.
Still, I try and keep Merlin Mann's Wisdom advice in mind:
>Organizing your email is like alphabetizing your recycling.
That being said, though, there's a line that only becomes clearer and clearer as time goes on: family and friends >>> everything else. I'd take a relative's email I didn't want to reply to when I was in college over pretty much anything. Do whatever you need to do to keep that.
Yeah I agree with this. Archive everything that I think could potentially have value. Any newsletters or nonsense (before I end up unsubscribing) get nuked. Edit: Login codes and login links as well are clear to be deleted as well.
Any actual two way communication with another human absolutely gets archived. I love myself an audit trail. It's saved my ass more than once.
Yeah, I do this too. Folders works pretty well in both Gmail Web and IMAP, but I don't do sub-labels, I just jam them all into folders for Commerce, Friends ( one folder per City), Interests, Family (One folder for each closest relative, so stuff from my Mom's sister goes in the Mom folder.)
I use Thunderbird a lot, so Archive is an anti-pattern (I believe it removes all tags from an email, leaving it only in All Mail. I have All Mail turned off in IMAP because it makes a second copy of everything, which is bad in a 20+ year old mail archive.)
I dislike that the Gmail app on Android only lets you archive an email from the notification; fastmail has both archive and delete buttons.
I'd like to have a retain-for-one-year button, to move things out of my inbox, but not keep them perpetually. I'd rarely delete immediately, and I'd seldom archive for eternity.
I never delete mail other than spam. I archive every single one and there were times where I needed an old mail and found it. It's incredible useful and doesn't take much space (and nearly every web mail and program has a good search function).
My inbox's default retention policy deletes anything that is more than 90 days old unless it has a tag. Receipts, billing statements, messages from real people that I added to my contacts etc all get tagged and retained. Your newsletters, the OTPs, the appointment reminders all fall into the abyss.
But I personally do not like email as a system of record. My response to 'what if I need to know something about the tires' is that I keep a spreadsheet with everything I do to my car.
Neither for me on the server. I "move" the emails via IMAP(s) to a local folder in Thunderbird. Thunderbird gets backed up to an encrypted NAS. The NAS gets backed up to multiple encrypted external NVME/SSD drives and placed in lock boxes. One lock box ends up in a vehicle. Data not on the server can not be leaked unless legal hold was enabled creating archives outside the visibility and control of the user.
I leave everything in the inbox and mark unread if I need to follow up. Following up may involve nothing more than a note about the task on my to-do list. I also delete a lot of useless stuff and have never regretted it.
My inbox is (1) things I need to read (2) a big searchable archive of things I might need later. Nothing more, and certainly not my to-do list. So I don't feel the need to do anything more than I'm doing.
I'm using claws-mail and currently have 53,399 mails in my INBOX and 62,138 mails in my spam folder. I've got a few other mailboxes for mailing lists, some of them 100k entries but I barely read them. I guess I could delete these but my mail folder is only 19.2 GB in size. The storage medium sizes increase so fast that I've never had to delete anything.
It feels like a waste of my time to archive, delete or even read emails if its subject doesn’t look important. I haven’t deleted or archived an email since 2004. There are always 10k+ unread. But I’m fine with that, I glance at the list, then close it. No effort. Works for me. Search is my friend.
Personally (not using GMail) I flag messages I do not want to delete, the others got deleted with a bit of step, some after an year, some after 5 years etc. It's not much anyway, but enough to avoid extreme growth.
Mails are PARTIALLY spread in a taxonomy via MailDrop but partially because keeping my filters is tedious...
People make a big deal about Spike Jonze's extended Black Mirror episode (pretty much) Her, but the one part that sticks to me from that movie is when the AI is introduced, it scans the main character's inbox and comes up with the number of useful emails worth saving.
I use the "baby bear" strategy mentioned in the article. My criteria are something like: archive emails from humans as well as important emails like receipts and invoices; delete advertising emails, newsletters, notification emails, and things that I can just as easily find online.
[+] [-] Titan2189|3 months ago|reply
Just keep everything in your inbox, find recent things by scrolling down, and anything beyond that is basically inaccessible, since the search is so bad
(I'm in camp archive everything, delete nothing; but see the Neither camp frequently in colleagues)
[+] [-] xmlninja|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] yesfitz|3 months ago|reply
Trash, Archive, Folders in Folders, Tags, forget it!
Where is it? In the Inbox. If it's unread, I need to do something, if it's read, I don't.
Although if my clients start to slow down, I will export and delete the oldest year from my personal email. So I guess I do technically archive. But only in bulk and begrudgingly.
[+] [-] dmje|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] isaachinman|3 months ago|reply
I've got 100k+ threads in my inbox and full text search is single digit ms.
IMAP search itself is unusable. SQLite on the other hand...
https://marcoapp.io
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[+] [-] plqbfbv|3 months ago|reply
- 1:1 or 1:n conversations get archived
- appointments, receipts, ... snoozed until day before use/event, then deleted afterwards
- newsletters, automated messages deleted after read
- promotions, discounts, ... deleted immediately
The trash serves as a 30-day buffer for things I may need to recover, e.g. shop discounts I threw out that I end up needing before they expire.
I also use Fastmail's expiration period on my inbox, so anything older than 1 month is deleted too. If it received no action in 1 month, the chances it was actually important are close to zero.
[+] [-] ahmedfromtunis|3 months ago|reply
I also maintain an always zero inbox and everything is neatly classified thanks to the power of automation.
[+] [-] drivers99|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] dunham|3 months ago|reply
That's a good idea. I also use app updates to decide whether I actually need to keep an app on my phone. (There is a convenient "remove" swipe on that screen, so I'm not the only one.)
[+] [-] BeetleB|3 months ago|reply
The most important thing is not what to do with emails in your inbox, but figuring out what should go in the inbox to begin with.
I have a whitelist. Anything not in the whitelist goes into "quarantine". I give some details here:
https://blog.nawaz.org/posts/2018/Sep/solving-my-email-probl...
HN discussion at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18100807
Once we take care of the bulk of emails that way, it's easier making decisions on the items in the inbox. I usually delete if it's some automated email (e.g. calendar reminder, etc). I archive if it's personal or may have some useful information I want to refer to later (e.g. notification that my electricity bill was paid).
But I lie. Even when I "delete", I don't delete. I merely tag it as "deleted". It's always there on my hard drive. Normally when I do a search, I have to specify "and not tag:deleted".
And those quarantined emails? I neither delete nor archive. They just stay there with the "quarantine" tag.
[+] [-] clnhlzmn|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] Amorymeltzer|3 months ago|reply
>Delete: Anything you’re pretty sure would be useless in the future
Basically what I do, but the problem for a certain type of mind is that "might be useful" is a pretty broad category to fall down. "Years and years of Perl mailing lists in case I want to search them instead of SE/PerlMonks/etc." Yeah, in theory. "Any newsletter I haven't ever read?" I mean, in theory I might search for something from 2011. "ThinkGeek purchases from back in the day?" Yes, definitely! So, in practice, just archive, and let your search results be polluted by daily newsletters.
Still, I try and keep Merlin Mann's Wisdom advice in mind:
>Organizing your email is like alphabetizing your recycling.
That being said, though, there's a line that only becomes clearer and clearer as time goes on: family and friends >>> everything else. I'd take a relative's email I didn't want to reply to when I was in college over pretty much anything. Do whatever you need to do to keep that.
[+] [-] jjice|3 months ago|reply
Any actual two way communication with another human absolutely gets archived. I love myself an audit trail. It's saved my ass more than once.
[+] [-] CoBE10|3 months ago|reply
1. Receipts, bill, utilities, etc. (Sublabel for every company)
2. Friends&Family (Sublabel for every person)
3. School and school related (Sublabel for every person)
4. Government and government related (Sublabel by organization)
5. Random and miscellaneous
It's archive, but somewhat organized
[+] [-] secabeen|3 months ago|reply
I use Thunderbird a lot, so Archive is an anti-pattern (I believe it removes all tags from an email, leaving it only in All Mail. I have All Mail turned off in IMAP because it makes a second copy of everything, which is bad in a 20+ year old mail archive.)
[+] [-] 8organicbits|3 months ago|reply
I'd like to have a retain-for-one-year button, to move things out of my inbox, but not keep them perpetually. I'd rarely delete immediately, and I'd seldom archive for eternity.
[+] [-] sunaookami|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] jabroni_salad|3 months ago|reply
But I personally do not like email as a system of record. My response to 'what if I need to know something about the tires' is that I keep a spreadsheet with everything I do to my car.
[+] [-] Bender|3 months ago|reply
[+] [-] getnormality|3 months ago|reply
My inbox is (1) things I need to read (2) a big searchable archive of things I might need later. Nothing more, and certainly not my to-do list. So I don't feel the need to do anything more than I'm doing.
[+] [-] jonathanstrange|3 months ago|reply
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[+] [-] kkfx|3 months ago|reply
Mails are PARTIALLY spread in a taxonomy via MailDrop but partially because keeping my filters is tedious...
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[+] [-] elieskilled|3 months ago|reply
Archive instead of delete is what we recommend to Inbox Zero customers. As you won’t accidentally delete something important.
But if you really need to claim back that space our tool offers ways to delete the stuff that doesn’t matter.