"People with real questions get roped in by an enthusiastically confirming sycophantic model that will never question or push back, just confirm and lead on."
> "People with real questions get roped in by an enthusiastically confirming sycophantic model that will never question or push back, just confirm and lead on."
> That wasn't too buried IMHO
I read that, but still fail to see evidence of a concrete "disaster". For example, are we seeing a huge wave of suicides that are statistical outliers triggered by using Chatbots? Or maybe the worry (unsubstantiated) is that there's a lagging effect and the disaster is approaching.
I suspect the outcomes are going to be less catastrophic; specifically, it seems to me that more people will have access to a much better level of support than they could get with a therapist (who is not available 24/7, who has less to draw upon, is likely too expensive, etc.). Even if there's an increase in some harm, my instinct from first principles is that the net benefit will be clear.
This isn’t accurate though, the models do push back and do question.
I would say ChatGPT is way way better than the average therapist. I’ve seen maybe between 15-20 psychotherapists over the course of my life and ChatGPT is better than 85% of them I would wager.
I’ve had a therapist recommend me take a motorbike trek across Europe (because that’s what he did) to cure my depression.
I think people tend to radically overestimate the skills of the average therapist, many are totally fucking shit.
> I’ve had a therapist recommend me take a motorbike trek across Europe (because that’s what he did) to cure my depression.
When I try to help people in support group/ therapy group although I am not a therapist, I also try to explain how I fixed my issues or how I do so.
I feel like, that isn't bad take to be really honest in the sense that I personally feel like there are times when we lose the fact that our lives have purpose and your therapist grappled with it by having a unitary goal for himself
If you felt like that was a bad idea, just tell him that what is the thing that they got out of the motorbike trek race that cured their depression, I'd be more curious about that. Considering, maybe then I can try to see if my life has/had the same problems and what is the common theme and discussing about it later.
Personally I feel like Chatgpt is extremely sycophantic and I feel really weird interacting with it. For one, I really like interacting with humans atleast in the therapy mindset I suppose.
andsoitis|3 months ago
> That wasn't too buried IMHO
I read that, but still fail to see evidence of a concrete "disaster". For example, are we seeing a huge wave of suicides that are statistical outliers triggered by using Chatbots? Or maybe the worry (unsubstantiated) is that there's a lagging effect and the disaster is approaching.
I suspect the outcomes are going to be less catastrophic; specifically, it seems to me that more people will have access to a much better level of support than they could get with a therapist (who is not available 24/7, who has less to draw upon, is likely too expensive, etc.). Even if there's an increase in some harm, my instinct from first principles is that the net benefit will be clear.
saberience|3 months ago
I would say ChatGPT is way way better than the average therapist. I’ve seen maybe between 15-20 psychotherapists over the course of my life and ChatGPT is better than 85% of them I would wager.
I’ve had a therapist recommend me take a motorbike trek across Europe (because that’s what he did) to cure my depression.
I think people tend to radically overestimate the skills of the average therapist, many are totally fucking shit.
sabatonfan|3 months ago
When I try to help people in support group/ therapy group although I am not a therapist, I also try to explain how I fixed my issues or how I do so.
I feel like, that isn't bad take to be really honest in the sense that I personally feel like there are times when we lose the fact that our lives have purpose and your therapist grappled with it by having a unitary goal for himself
If you felt like that was a bad idea, just tell him that what is the thing that they got out of the motorbike trek race that cured their depression, I'd be more curious about that. Considering, maybe then I can try to see if my life has/had the same problems and what is the common theme and discussing about it later.
Personally I feel like Chatgpt is extremely sycophantic and I feel really weird interacting with it. For one, I really like interacting with humans atleast in the therapy mindset I suppose.
chbbbbbbbbj|3 months ago
It's not bad advice.