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davecyen | 3 months ago

> if a VC investor is doing their job well, they will make sure to keep investing in your company until they have a good amount of ownership. This means it is against their incentives to introduce you to other investors or do anything else that interferes with their ability to buy more shares in your company for a good price.

this is only true for larger multi-stage funds who compete with each other, not for Seed or Series A-only funds

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pnw|3 months ago

Yes, it's completely backwards really. In most successful companies, a VC's holdings are likely to decrease over time, not increase, as the company raises more money and existing investors are diluted. And investors are (in general) motivated to introduce you to new later stage investors because it increases the value of their holdings, even when diluted.

fragmede|3 months ago

That's because most of us can't actively remember back to the dot com bust and have only been around for the boom times since. Success is great! Say you're an early investor, with 2 million shares out of 10 million issued, or 20% of the company at a $10 million valuation, or $2 million dollars. Pretty good! $2 million is $2 million.

The AI boom is in full swing. You've got product market fit, lots of paying users, everything is gucci. So when they issue 40 million more shares to new investors, there's 50 million shares out there, you have 2/50 million, but, hey, lookit! The new valuation is $100 million. You now have $4 million of a $100 million company. Not bad! It turns out that when things are good, things are quite good!

Unfortunate, it's discovered that your product is actually the torment nexus. Users flee, the bubble pops, the entire sector goes bust, your remaining users sue you, you run out of money. Your board fires you and the new CEO takes on a new round of investors. They issue 950 million shares, at a $one million valuation.

Fuck.

For all your hard work, your blood sweat and tears. Failed personal relationships. Your 2 million shares are now 2/1000 of $1 million, or $2,000. That's right, two thousand dollars only. Do not past go, Do not collect money to FIRE, hope you can get a job running Door Dash, except that got automated away so you can't do that.

Edit: Before commenters reply, That's not possible! I have preferential rights written into my contract. They won't and can't do that! And maybe you're right. Maybe you've got a totally iron clad contract written up by a lawyer who experienced the com bust and there are provisions against the exact scenario written above isn't possible. Except you were collecting a founder's salary of $50,000 /year and don't have $200k in savings to afford a high-powered corporate lawyer to sue and get back what's left of your company. Say you do regain control, it's got a $1 million valuation for a reason. Maybe it'll be like Pebble and you win, and you can run it as a life-style business because there are enough loyal customers who like your brand of torment nexus, and you eke out $10,000 of revenue (gross, not net) per month. Not bad per se, but still not the NYSE bell ringing IPO you were hoping for. Plus you're in debt to your lawyers and it's going to take forever to pay them off.

pavlov|3 months ago

Yeah. In my experience investors in the early rounds are eager to do introductions because they’re still seeking to validate the investment internally.

If they led a pre-seed, they’d be happy to see someone else lead the seed round because then it’s easier to make the case within the fund that they should maintain or increase their stake.

External validation means a lot when the company is young.

testbjjl|3 months ago

Do you have a portfolio or any direct experience to share? It seems the author is speaking from experience.

bix6|3 months ago

Many funds only invest in a few rounds. The $10M micro VC that participated in your seed round isn’t making a dent in your $100M D raise.

Syndicates are much stronger than a sole VC leading everything. There’s just way more capital and help with a syndicate.