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tonis2 | 3 months ago

Its the low quality food, my memory improved a lot, after I stopped eating sugar and most refined foods. Theres even some research that Alzheimer starts from bad bacteria in the gut, that loves sugar.

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Krssst|3 months ago

Shitty food has been around for a long time. Some virus known for causing long-term effects in non-negligible parts of the population has been around since 2019.

> The increase in disability prevalence from 2016 to 2022 is likely attributable in part to the long-term effects of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

danielheath|3 months ago

Wild to me that the first mention of COVID is this far down the page.

Most people have been infected at least a couple of times may this point, and at this point it’s very well documented to cause lasting cognitive decline.

gcanyon|3 months ago

I was just talking with my wife yesterday about how readily people assume they have superior competence to or greater insight than experts in a given field. I'm not picking on you in particular, but your comment jumped out at me.

Substantially:

We've been eating "low quality" food of one type -- ultra-processed food -- since at least the '60s, so what's your explanation for the recency of the effect?

And some time earlier than that -- very roughly the 1920s and earlier -- we were eating "low quality" foods of a different type: spoiled, adulterated, and questionably-sourced food products, so do you claim that we started with poor concentration then, got better/had a heyday in the mid-20th century, and now we're declining again?

In short: what's your evidence to support your claim?

Emma_Goldman|3 months ago

It's reasoned conjecture on an internet message board. Yes, it is over-stated. But if one treats quality of diet as one variable among many in cognitive capacity, which is the only sane approach, then trying to match the diet of a population to trendlines in society-wide cognitive performance is not going to tell you anything.

marginalia_nu|3 months ago

Could be multiple factors. In my N=1 experience fiddling with various things in my life.

* Improving diet (primarily avoiding refined foods and sugar) generally improves my energy levels.

* Cutting out social media mostly improves concentration.

* Trying to avoid rumination such as problem solving or rehearsing arguments through meditative practices reduces stress levels, makes it easier to be present and react to things in front of you.

* Sleep is also pretty big for cognitive clarity. Having a consistent sleep schedule and not drinking coffee past noon helps with sleep.

But really, all of these seem to tie into each other. If you want to improve your diet, it's much harder if you are tired from lack of sleep or overstimulation. If you want to improve your sleep, you can't be scrolling social media all day. Mental exhaustion also makes awareness/meditation harder.

jazzcomputer|3 months ago

As someone who has eaten way too much sugary food I think my gut-brain coupling may have had enough of this. A few weeks ago I had a sugar binge one night and the cognitive effects were impossible to ignore the next day. Fortunately after 2-3 days I was back to normal but of my sample size of one, and in my condition (which is pre-diabetic) I observed a clear link.

It was a good experience as it's prompted me to get more serious about cutting back sugar, implemented as long term, achievable habit change.

iamacyborg|3 months ago

Bacteria (and your body) like sugar because it’s an easy to use fuel source. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having reasonable amounts of sugar in your diet.

somenameforme|3 months ago

The catch is that the body likes lots of things that are awful for it. For instance drug abuse isn't limited to humans - some bears have gotten addicted to huffing gas to get high. [1] Quite cute if it wasn't so awful! The big issue is that in modern times a whole bunch of things are going wrong - testosterone levels (adjusted for health/bmi/age) are declining, IQ is declining [2], basically every single psychological disorder is skyrocketing, and much more.

And the reason why isn't clear. So the most likely reason is that we're doing what humanity has done repeatedly and endlessly throughout history and likely accidentally poisoning ourselves with some thing or things -- things that we believe to be completely safe. So a precautionary principle approach to consumption is to consider what we evolved with and sugar definitely wasn't that. Sugar only really took off in the 19th century. And various further refined sweeteners like high fructose corn syrup and other such things only took off in the late 20th century.

[1] - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294757/Bear-ly-con...

[2] - https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-...

PeterStuer|3 months ago

As a European visitong the US, I am constantly amazed at how there is masses of sugar added to 'normal' food over there. You take a bite expecting a certain flavour, and go wtf did someone glace this with caramel or drop some candy in the flour mix?

aldarion|3 months ago

Reasonable amount being whatever you get from an occasional fruit snack.

Not whatever we have in the modern / food pyramid diet.

Ekaros|3 months ago

What is the reasonable amount? Could it be less than we currently have in many diets?

parasti|3 months ago

"Eating sugar" and "reasonable amounts of sugar in your diet" are two very different things.

sph|3 months ago

Define reasonable.

naIak|3 months ago

There’s no reasonable amount of sugar, unless there’s fibre to go with it. Sugar by itself (ie refined sugar) is a poison.