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kid64 | 3 months ago

Obtaining something of value through deception is fraud.

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mafuy|3 months ago

My name is X and another person also named X tells me to gather their documents from the office. Other X also signs a paper for me that says I'm allowed to do this.

I ask the office clerk: "Hi, I'm here to retreive the documents for X". He checks my ID and gives me the documents without asking for written permission from the other X.

It's deception by omission, but there is no fraud. I was legally allowed to do this. It's also a win for everyone because it avoids complications.

make3|3 months ago

"with the approval of the intended recipient" makes it like breaking into someone's home with their consent

wat10000|3 months ago

They didn't obtain anything, though.

kid64|3 months ago

I understood that they obtained legal documents

multjoy|3 months ago

The key term in most statutes is dishonesty.

Impersonating someone at their behest as a favour is unlikely to be dishonest.

foobarchu|3 months ago

That's debatable. If I let my friends impersonate me to use my zoo membership for free entrance, then were clearly defrauding the zoo (obviously that's not high stakes, but I dare someone to argue it's not). If one of a set of identical twins is better at math and takes all the math tests for their sibling, that's pretty clearly academic fraud, again pretty low stakes but fraud is still fraud

Key note because in case someone decides to go bad faith here, I think the gp comments use case of fraud is a positive thing (if a bit dangerous). Redefining a term just because you don't like the pejorative implications is not a positive thing, though.

kid64|3 months ago

Impersonation is inherently dishonest