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codexb | 3 months ago

Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.

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benoau|3 months ago

It's more likely to be a problem with Apple (and Google) because they have put themselves in a position where they are a gateway to everybody. There are multitudes of online storage providers outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction but 0% of iPhone users back up to them because of technical limitations that inhibit iCloud competitors or any compatible storage solution.

stavros|3 months ago

> 0% of iPhone users back up to them because of technical limitations that inhibit iCloud competitors or any compatible storage solution.

To clarify, by "technical limitations" here you don't mean "it's not possible with our current technology", you mean "Apple purposely blocks this".

thewebguyd|3 months ago

> There are multitudes of online storage providers outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction

Not according to the UK, lately. The problem is still domestic. UK wants to exert this control over any service a UK citizens happens to use, whether they have a UK presence or not. Same with the ID/Age verification stuff.

Moving away from Apple and Google probably is something they should do, but it's not going to be a solution to the problem of the UK government's overreach.

UK citizens need to turn their attention inward against their government.

buran77|3 months ago

> they are a gateway to everybody

They are, and most time this allows them to abuse you. But what do you think happens once you that gateway is blown open, isn't your front door next?

> There are multitudes of online storage providers outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction

What I said above means that once you normalize the situation that providers have to open the gate to your yard whenever the state comes knocking, the state will just come knocking directly at your door. In other words I'm not sure the state will stop in its pursuit of access to your data when it can just incriminate trying to evade the law by storing it out of reach.

skeezyjefferson|3 months ago

> because of technical limitations that inhibit iCloud competitors or any compatible storage solution.

ah thats not quite true is it now?

amelius|3 months ago

It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

bnastic|3 months ago

You can run your own software, but if asked by UK authorities to provide the keys/password and you don't comply you face prison time.

j45|3 months ago

The majority of apple and android users can't run their own libre software, until libre software is as easy and seamless to use as the comparables.

odiroot|3 months ago

There's more good reasons to de-Apple besides just residing in UK.

mistercheph|3 months ago

Thankfully my predecessors de-UK’ed for me!

herewulf|3 months ago

Legacy features!

aa-jv|3 months ago

People need to hold the UK government responsible for its crimes against humanity. Until the AUMF and similiar policies across the Wetsern hemisphere which resulted in the utterly reprehensible "War on Terror", are rescinded and the crimes committed under their enactment fully prosecuted, the authoritarianism will continue.

Remember, people, these are WAR CRIMINALS driving these policies forward. To expect this class of individuals to adhere to democratic, western values, is naive in the extreme.

The same people who have no problem with genociding a million people in the middle east enemy-state-de-jour are not going to give one fig of care to the local human rights violations that they are also getting away with.

The West has a war criminal problem. Until we solve that we cannot do a damn thing about our human rights problem.

advisedwang|3 months ago

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cmsj|3 months ago

The actual straightforward fix isn't available to us - namely, we aren't due a general election until 2029 and right now the "good guys" are in power, so it's not at all clear that anyone would even offer to reverse this TCN if they were elected instead, in 4 years time.

jajuuka|3 months ago

Granted it would be more impactful that to stop using Google and Apple services.

aa-jv|3 months ago

They need to stay and fix their country, and the means by which they do that is simple: start prosecuting our own war criminals.