[itsoktocry]

>Nobody lied about vaccines.

Sure they did. Go back and listen to what the media and politicians were saying about the vaccines when they were first released: you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID. We ended up at "you'll still get COVID and spread COVID, but your symptoms will be lessened".

I'm not anti-vaccine by any means, but the story around COVID vaccines changed...a lot.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Go back and listen to what the media was saying about the vaccines when they were first released: you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID

You’re making the claim. Show me.

I remember this debate happening online. It was stupid then as it is now. The clinical outcomes were clear as day: reduced hospitalisation. And Jonas Salk’s original polio vaccine was non-sterilising and not only not non-infecting, but actively infecting.

[AnimalMuppet]

I saw those statements. Sorry, no, can't be arsed to find proof, because it's not my claim. But it was definitely being stated, publicly, by authoritative-sounding people. IIRC at least some were in the administration (or in government health agencies, which from the public's perception amounts to the same thing).

[itsoktocry]

>You’re making the claim. Show me.

The fact that you are unaware of it means you've got your head-in-the-sand.

"Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die.”"

Are those facts?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...

[fabian2k]

Those claims were true for the original COVID strain. They were not for the late strains, so that is why the message changed. Because the facts changed.

[bjourne]

No! YOU made the claim. YOU prove it.