Heroku Support for .NET 10

[cultofmetatron]

I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy. They really killed its utility for anything bigger than a hobby project.

[czhu12]

This is exactly why we built https://canine.sh, to try to rebuild Heroku in the open source

We begged heroku for years to lower their prices but they just kept increasing it.

I even showed a rep a side by side comparison of heroku vs raw AWS costs and it was 8x. Absolutely couldn’t justify

[sleepy_keita]

Yeah. It used to be the go-to for starting simple projects. We have quite a bit of other options in this space now, though - GH Pages, Cloudflare workers, Vercel, Netlify, etc etc...

[kirillkosolapov]

As the founder of a local cloud very similar to Heroku, I understand Heroku's limitations. It's a balance between control and convenience. The simpler everything is, the better it's suited for small projects, but the less control you have for complex projects. Unless you're just running a hobby project, you'll be using Kubernetes and similar services with full control and the complexity that comes with it. Heroku uses AWS, which means they can't make computations cheaper, otherwise the economics don't add up.

In my experience, we (I won't advertise) have prices several times lower, and we try very hard to accommodate more serious projects, but 99% of projects are small and consume less than 200 MB of RAM. This is simply the nature of this market and product.

[netdevphoenix]

It's hard to compare, surely as heroku is basically aws + virtual 24/7 generic dev ops guy. Aws will always be cheaper because heroku itself runs on it. Afaik, the USP of heroku is deployment ease for small/medium projects. If you need complex setups, you need to roll your own in aws.

[catlover76]

> I lament what could have been with heroku. I did some back of the envelope calculations for what it would have cost for my own startup to run on it and it came out to significantly more than what it costs us on aws INCLUDING our dedicated devops guy.

That's...nuts. o_O

Are you doing something special, do you guys already have a lot of traffic?

[runesoerensen]

I wrote this post - for anyone curious, Heroku's .NET support is built on our open source .NET Cloud Native Buildpack (CNB), which is written in Rust and produces standard OCI images.

You can use it anywhere, even locally, for free. The example in the post uses the .NET 10 file-based app feature we added support for today, so if you want to try the same functionality locally, you can do something like this:

  # Create a minimal .NET 10 file-based app
  echo 'Console.WriteLine("Hello HN");' > Hello.cs

  # Build an OCI image using the .NET CNB
  pack build hello-hn --builder heroku/builder:24

  # Run it with Docker
  docker run --rm -it --entrypoint hello hello-hn

  # Output:
  Hello HN

The "classic" Heroku buildpack shown in the demo video is just a thin wrapper around the CNB implementation: https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-dotnet

[tehmantra]

Paketo buildpacks have also been updated with .NET 10 support day one. https://blog.paketo.io/posts/paketo-dotnet-10-support/

[jf]

I came here to see if AppHarbor was still running and was pleased to see this post :D

[bastawhiz]

I suppose congrats to Salesforce for inventing the most expensive way to run .Net 10?

[keyle]

$1 per function call is possible. /s

[tlhunter]

Day 1 support for a new runtime is impressive.

How long does it take AWS Lambda to support the latest Node.js LTS release?

[jve]

There is also .NET 10 release post for more general discussion on .NET 10 that somehow fell off the ranking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45888620

[mythz]

How does running on expensive clouds become newsworthy?

[oofbey]

TIL: Heroku is still online. A shadow of its former self but still there.

[christophilus]

I upvoted it before reading, thinking it was Haiku (OS) not Heroku (overpriced SaaS thing). Maybe others did the same?

[kwanbix]

.net is probably one of the top 10 worst names in history or is it only me?

[pjc50]

No, that's Microsoft's other work in the XBox line. Try saying "Xbox Series X" and "Xbox Series S" and "XBox One S" to ten normal people and asking them to find the correct matching product in a store.

[runjake]

Probably. But I got over it 25 years ago. I think of it as “dotnet” in my head which seems better.

[rk06]

No, you are not alone.for non-tech population, it may make sense that .NET 5 is continuation of .NET 4. But the tech crowd knows .net 5 is to .net 4 is what angular 2 is to angular 1.

With .net 4 still in active use, the naming makes it harder

[andsoitis]

Some fun ones:

- Colgate Kitchen Entrees

- Ayds Diet Candy

- Gerber in Africa (in many regions, it is customary for labels to show what's inside. Having a baby on the bottle is just weird)

- Chevrolet Nova (no va means "don't go")

- Clairol Mist Stick (in Germany. In German, Mist means manure)

- Pee Cola (Ghana)

- Puffs Tissues (Germany) (in German slang, Puff means brothel)

- Nokia Lumia (prostitute in Spanish slang)

- ISIS Chocolates (Belgium)

- Hitachi's Woopie Washing Machine (cute to a Japanese ear, but not to that of an English speaker)