[olavgg]

As a startup, what is it in for me to switch from Java, Spring Boot, Hibernate, Beam, Flink, Pulsar, Vault, KeyCloak ecosystem to C#.Net? Is the documentation better? Do I get better performance? Is the community larger and more stable?

[griffiths]

As others have mentioned Vault, Keycloak, Flink are language agnostic. Regarding the switch from Java to .NET, I would rather recommend switching to Kotlin instead of .NET for a developer experience similar to C#, while still keeping your existing expertise in Java and its ecosystem. And this comes from someone in a .NET shop currently, but have worked with Java before. IMHO both languages and surrounding ecosystems are good. Both have their pros and cons and quirks.

[troupo]

Most of that ecosystem is language agnostic, or offer much more ergonomically sane APIs in dotnet. This is especially true for anything coming out of Google (e.g. Dataflow which runs on top of Apache Beam).

C# itself has way better DX (object initializers alone are worth the switch), and most language features don't feel bolted on like with Java (anything from functional programming to extension methods to whatever).

And at least 6 years ago .net with default settings required significantly less resources (RAM, CPU) and yad significantly faster startup than comparable Java code.

C# is also significantly more consistent. You might not use LINQ, but since everything is IEnumerable, you will use the same set of methods on everything. None of the Lis.of...Collectors.collect idiocy from Java.

I also found Asp.net to have significantly less undebuggable magic than Spring.

[stanac]

I sometimes miss Spring magic when working with ASP.NET, and I worked 12+ years with C# and only a year with Spring. Not saying one is better than the other, it's always a choice, less magic = more boilerplate and less boilerplate = more magic.

[gf000]

> and most language features don't feel bolted on like with Java (anything from functional programming to extension methods to whatever)

Java doesn't have extension methods and while both are decent languages, C# is the one that likes implementing every conceivable language feature immediately, while Java takes a while to design a bigger feature that will replace several smaller ones' use cases.

[Xelbair]

Vault, Keycloak, Flink are language agnostic or there exist bindings for most popular languages.

Documentation is vastly better compared to Java ones, it's like day and night, LINQ is vastly superior to anything that Java offered - but i haven't used java in a very long time. And every time i had to write java it felt like i went backwards in time by 5-10 years.

If i remember right Java's webserver beats ASP.NET in performance benchmarks but .net's one performance is good enough that it does not matter until you hit really big usercount - and at that point you usually have to rethink your architecture anyways.

But frankly .net is still mostly Microsoft Java but with better developer ergonomics in my opinion. It did shed a lot of overengineered OOP legacy from .net framework days though and we're seeing major performance improvements with every version.

[haspok]

> but i haven't used java in a very long time

What was the last Java version you used? There has been a huge momentum in adding new features lately, granted, it is slower than in C# (Java's top priority is backwards compatibility, so it does not have the luxury of shedding old stuff or changing them once they are in), but in the last couple of years it has improved tremendously. The JVM (especially in the garbage collection front) but also the language - half of an ML-style language is there (for example, ADTs and pattern matching), the other half is coming soon!

[mrsmrtss]

>If i remember right Java's webserver beats ASP.NET in performance benchmarks

That's not the case anymore. Kestrel is one of the fastest servers there is, and it beats every Java server out there.

[gf000]

> Documentation is vastly better compared to Java ones, it's like day and night

This is absolutely not my experience, especially when it comes to the ecosystem and third-party libraries. Like Java is pretty much the best in this category.

[littlecranky67]

Yes.