[sholain]

Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet. And - there are 'layers' of Engineering beyond just model that make quite a big difference. For certain tasks, GPT5 might be beyond all others, same for Claude + Claude.

That said, the fact that they're doing this while knowing that Anthropic could be monitoring implies a degree of either real or arbitrary irreverence: either they were lazy or dumb (unlikely), or it was some ad hoc situation wherein they really just did not care. Some sub-sub-sub team at some entity just 'started doing stuff' without a whole lot of thought.

'State Backed Entities' are very numerous, it's not unreasonable that some of them, somewhere are prompting a few things that are sketchy.

I'm sure there's a lot of this going on everywhere - and this is the one Anthropic chose to highlight for whatever reasons, which could be complicated.

[tw1984]

> Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet.

welcome to 2025. Meta doesn't have anything on par with what Chinese got, that is common knowledge. Kimi, GLM, QWen and MiniMax are all frontier models no matter how you judge it. DeepSeek is obviously cooking something big, you need to be totally blind to ignore that.

America's lead in LLM is just weeks, not quarters or years. Arguing that Chinese spy agencies have to rely on American coding agents to do its job is more like a joke.

[sholain]

Kimi is plausibly near the frontier but definitely not up to GPT5 spec, the rest are definitely not 'frontier models'.

There are objective ways of 'judging' them.