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Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

28 points| hnthrowaway0328 | 3 months ago |windowscentral.com

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pjmlp|3 months ago

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook.

Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening.

Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC stores.

graemep|3 months ago

> I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook

This seems to be claiming Windows is better because you cannot fine tune it. No one forces you to fine tune Linux. You can just buy something with Linux preinstalled and use it and skip the tuning and customisation.

chrisandchris|3 months ago

Like one could say

> and I have better things to do than uninstall Teams, LinkedIn, Spotify and undo some random settings after each update.

about Windows.

viraptor|3 months ago

> like my old Asus netbook

Not to say that experience was invalid, but we've come a long way since the netbooks were a thing.

baka367|3 months ago

The very point that Microsoft devs need two machines in their work, one to do dew stuff, another - with its own special flavor of locked down windows - to touch anything that is even remotely similar to prod (including staging with no real data) says a lot about Microsoft stance on developers and power users ..

Sophira|3 months ago

Where can I find more information about this? I had never heard that they use two computers like that before.

Mindwipe|3 months ago

This story seems overly kind. They aren't going to do anything to fix Windows burning platform, and just try and cram in more AI.

A PR statement that amounts to "we still love you" with no action whatsoever means nothing. We've had years of terrible management decisions about Windows 11 at this point. If they want any trust back statements aren't going to cut it, they would need to actually do things that they don't like and that users do.

jmkni|3 months ago

Windows is solid under the hood, but the UI/UX is crap and has gotten progressively worse over the years

MacOS isn't perfect either, but it is so much better in not trying to upsell you at every single opportunity

Just let me use my fucking computer lol

rincebrain|3 months ago

I don't think even this is true any more.

Windows used to have a solid technical foundation and was working on improving longstanding historical warts (font processing in the kernel, what could go wrong?), regardless of how off the rails the end user experience was getting.

Now, Windows seems to be rotting from every direction. The user experience is going straight for minmaxing data harvesting and antipatterns, and the technical underbelly is showing horrible problems getting into releases. [1][2], to pick a couple recent examples.

[1] - https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows/windows-11-...

[2] - https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/october-...

blibble|3 months ago

the kernel might still be good but the userland is just awful in every way imaginable

they have even managed to screw up file explorer and the start menu

it's so slow I can see it render the interface, like watching compuserve render a webpage on a 2400 bad modem

(high end i9 box)

I bet it's not long until React ends up in the kernel too

chris37879|3 months ago

Exactly this. I use a Macbook for my day to day computing, programming, and general internet use. I have a Windows 11 gaming rig. Well, it turns out Hades 2 runs great on my macbook and that's been my game as of late, so the desktop hasn't been powered on in weeks. I just don't like Windows 11, and Linux just isn't there yet for my mixed DPI monitor setup (though I hear is getting close), or VR titles just yet.

graemep|3 months ago

> Just let me use my fucking computer lol

Why? Look at it from Microsoft's point of view - upselling, showing ads, integrating AI is more profitable or sends the share price up. That gives them a strong incentive to keep doing it.

what-the-grump|3 months ago

I run fleets for windows machines, servers, w10, w11, from a Mac.

What Microsoft has done to windows 10 and 11 is ridiculous.

Why is my taskbar still crashing in 2025. Why does opening task manager spike my cpu to 100%. Search its 2025, search still broken. OOBE experience is a joke.

For crying out loud I don’t even care if you make the entire gui rest based and hosted in azure it would perform better than the trash running now.

At this point the Azure management portal has a higher SLA and uptime than my task bar.

DeathArrow|3 months ago

No operating system is perfect. I can't customize the hardware for Macs and Linux doesn't have all the software I need (and has other issues, too).

Neywiny|3 months ago

It all feels too little too late. Developers have long since abandoned Windows as a go-to if it ever was one. The amount of projects, even for cross platform languages like Python that basically boil down to run it on Linux only or WSL speaks volumes. And of course anybody who tries to do serious work on Windows has the experience of bloat. Even a classmate in school, borrowing her mom's work laptop for the day while her Mac was under the weather noted how painfully slow it was and how short the battery life was, and of course there's like 10 anti virus programs running. Windows laptops get loaded up with so much junk that even if the OS was better, it still grinds productivity to a halt. Truly disappointing.

And relative to the agentic, I saw a painful demo of using some voice assistant to change the scaling ratio. Which if search was better or anybody gave a hoot about cortana, should be an already solved problem.