[assemblyman]

I keep seeing the argument that non-returners are creating jobs. Does that mean they also throw their trash on the streets so cleaners have to be hired? Should one randomly break into houses so every people need to hire security guards? How about scratching cars on the street so mechanics and painters have some extra work?

[scoofy]

I can understand the argument insofar as it's necessary for the business to want it clean, so the result is not a tragedy of the commons.

I knew a special needs teacher when I was younger who would make this argument, but it was specifically because he worked with kids who had a history of crime, as so the argument was specifically that we need jobs for people who can't be trusted with either money or food. He would suggest not cleaning up after yourself at a fast food restaurant specifically because trash/bussing was effectively the only jobs these kids and young adults could get.

I never felt convinced that this was an effective strategy, I follow the logic, but within the logic is the assumption that putting these kids to work is a better outcome than using that capital to try and improve their situation/behavior. I honestly don't know which choice is more optimal or whether people can really change en masse.

[johnnyanmac]

I also don't want a risk of my car being dented. So there's some tragedy there if it was truly rampant.

>within the logic is the assumption that putting these kids to work is a better outcome than using that capital to try and improve their situation/behavior.

Sounds like your teacher would be great in politics. "creates jobs" is much easier sell than reformation.

I'd rather fix our broken windows than pretend that some people are "destined" to stay as minimum wage workers instead of aspiring to their passions. But those can't be done in a single term.

[1718627440]

> I can understand the argument insofar as it's necessary for the business to want it clean

Here, the business wouldn't care. It would be the costumers, who would find it inconvenient, and would need to return other carts, if they want to.

[s1artibartfast]

There is clearly a tipping point where you either get filthy restaurants, fewer restaurants, or take out only.

Anyways, there is no shortage of necessary low skill labor that can be done unrelated to food or money.

[netsharc]

Heck, but jobs mean more cost for the supermarket, meaning their groceries are slightly more expensive... genius argument.

[khannn]

I'm a certified job creator and should therefore pay less taxes

Employees got to pull those carts in by their bootstraps

[krackers]

see the broken window fallacy