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thebigkick | 3 months ago

Curious, why would DHH trigger a mass exodus?

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dymk|3 months ago

Ignoring DHH's politics (which are enough to make me look for alternatives), he makes breaking technical decisions to tooling with little to no community involvement. E.g., https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/971

He makes it difficult to trust that, were he in charge of Ruby, he wouldn't just take the reigns and stubbornly do whatever he thinks is technically right for "aesthetics" at the cost of all else.

BuckRogers|3 months ago

I just looked up his political views. Because I never cared about them before, to say the least. He's right wing in general which for half of us, probably the majority at this point but we're just less vocal about it, is a good thing. I generally don't just outright disassociate from people with opposing political views to mine though as you suggested there. But I have seen that and it's most often a behavior I see on the left. For whatever reason. Perhaps intolerance of diversity of thought.

culi|3 months ago

A mantra in the Ruby community is "Matz is nice so we are nice". By contrast, DHH is the type of person who would use the hey.com domain[0] to post rants about London being only 1/3rd white, "Pakistani rape gangs", etc. His racist tirades used to be limited to his twitter, but he's shown he's very willing to use business resources to push his racist politics. More discussions here:

- https://lobste.rs/s/fpri94/dhh_problem_2014

- https://old.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1no4zu2

[0] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

brigandish|3 months ago

The Ruby "community" has long been dogged by politics and culture war stuff. This comment[0] on a flagged submission has lots of links for getting up to speed.

Maybe they're right, there would be an exodus, I just wonder if other languages' communities will want the trouble. The Japanese Rubyists don't care for a second, a nice by-product of Japanese insularity. Ruby would continue in Japan just fine without westerners, don't worry.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45379652

throwaway48921|3 months ago

I'd much prefer Jeremy Evans[0] taking over rather than DHH. Jeremy is a Ruby core committer (and much more pleasant person), unlike DHH.

[0] - https://github.com/jeremyevans

throwaway48921|3 months ago

Curious why this suggestion was downvoted to hell.

brigandish|3 months ago

Anyone who won't discriminate against others for their politics would be an improvement, because that's not what's been happening in many core projects.

flykespice|3 months ago

Would you keep using a programming language leaded by a racist? I wouldn't

npteljes|3 months ago

If programming is just my hobby, then maybe. But would you, for example, quit your current job and look for another, just to change the programming language? I know I'm not that sort of person.

jeltz|3 months ago

Ruby is not and has never been led by DHH.

dudeinjapan|3 months ago

This is exactly why we shouldn't use KKScript either. Plus it has 1-based array indexes.