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delish | 3 months ago

Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

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bitwize|3 months ago

Did Microsoft seriously deprecate BitBlt and 2D draw calls?

If so, it seems as if Windows is undergoing a Waylandization. "Yeah, we went ahead and removed those because they're legacy. Modern rendering pipelines don't work that way anymore." I don't WANT a rendering pipeline! I want a surface, and to make calls to scribble on it! That's it!

mwcampbell|3 months ago

> Did Microsoft seriously deprecate BitBlt and 2D draw calls?

Very unlikely. Far too many applications depend on those things. It's more likely that they accidentally changed something subtle that happened to break colorForth.

hulitu|3 months ago

> If so, it seems as if Windows is undergoing a Waylandization. "Yeah, we went ahead and

The Wayland idea looks very similar to a Microsoft brain extract: "trust us, it will be the best when it is ready", "your program doesn't work ? update to latest version", "we have updates: we disabled some things which worked before".

eternityforest|3 months ago

I'm guessing a lot of the legacy stuff that still uses it also depends on some other things they wanted to change too?

JSR_FDED|3 months ago

I have yet to read one single story where people are actually happy with Windows 11.

remexre|3 months ago

I wonder how well Proton would work for it...

jz_|3 months ago

It looks like colorForth runs in qemu or bochs according to documentation, so Proton/wine wouldn't be required.

aaron_m04|3 months ago

I could've sworn I saw something in the last month or two about BITBLT or DirectX changes on Windows.

bitwize|3 months ago

It wouldn't surprise me to find that Windows is now flagging and quarantining unsigned, unfamiliar executables that it catches making these draw calls or really any direct Win32 calls. Microsoft, and in particular Windows Defender which you can't really turn off anymore, has gotten pretty aggressive about blocking software for "security purposes".

chris_wot|3 months ago

If there is, does anyone have any info on this?