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rafale | 3 months ago

Most crime is conducted in fiat money.

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amarant|3 months ago

Doesn't change the fact stated by GP tho.

Fiat money, unlike crypto, have lots of non-criminal uses.

jazzyjackson|3 months ago

Crypto has all the same use cases it's just that fiat is better at everything so long as the thing is blessed by the government

Given a government reflecting the will of the people, anything you need crypto for is de facto antisocial behavior

i think it's nice to have a plan B for when the governments idea of criminal doesn't line up with my own so much

chris_wot|3 months ago

Most legitimate business is conducted via fiat money.

MBCook|3 months ago

So? Are you suggesting banning all money?

Crypto has uniquely allowed the huge uptick in ransomware.

Before they had to figure out some way to get paid using the banking system without getting caught. These days maybe they would be asking for $50 million in iTunes gift cards, I don’t know. But it was a hurdle.

Once Cryptocurrencies started to get well known ransomware embraced it incredibly strongly. A far far more anonymous payment method that any random company or person could pay through?

Seriously. https://static.wixstatic.com/media/9e72ec_52b812bb082b4fdebd...

You think that’s just a coincidence? Crypto is a huge driver for the ransomware industry.

sahila|3 months ago

How does your chart show it increasing with crypto? Bitcoin came out in 2009 and ethereum in 2015, and adoption was far before 2020.

this_user|3 months ago

That is such a fallacious argument that crypto bros love to trot out. If you look at the ratio of crime to total transaction, then crime makes up a tiny portion of what is happening in real money. Meanwhile, the situation in crypto is the other way around: Actually useful transactions are almost negligible, while >99% of what is happening is speculation, gambling, and crime. If you could shut down the entire crypto ecosystem, literally nothing of value would be lost.

popol12|3 months ago

I think you underestimate how much speculation, gambling and crime happens in the fiat ecosystem. The forex, just to name one thing, is $7.5T exchanged a day.

In comparison, it’s estimated that Americans spend about $10T per year. I don’t have the numbers worldwide but America is a big piece of the cake.

So, speculation is vastly higher than regular spending, even for “regular money”.

coderatlarge|3 months ago

crypto is a kind of live estimate of the frustration with government restrictions on using one’s own property. that in itself seems to have some social value.

in the US, banks will question you if you try to withdraw your own cash from your own bank account past a certain limit set decades ago and never adjusted while the dollar continues to lose value.