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Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

123 points| jb1991 | 4 months ago |9to5mac.com | reply

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[+] MyFirstSass|4 months ago|reply
The number one priority must surely be fixing the keyboard, besides the horrible UX?

Millions are having problems for years so it's not just me, honestly thought i was "getting old" but no incredible amount of threads and now this on YT with 1 mil views:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo

Wild typing on a 3210 was less stressful for me.

[+] skwee357|4 months ago|reply
I through I’m just getting stupider and stupider with each day. I even started to reset my iOS keyboard autocorrect dictionary or whatever-magic-learning they do to fix this, but eventually will still mistype words.

Thank you for this video, it really made me feel that I’m not alone in this struggle of typing.

[+] paxys|4 months ago|reply
Installing the Google keyboard has been step #1 on every new iOS device of mine for the last decade. Sometimes I'll accidentally switch back to the default one while typing and immediately notice how broken the experience is. And yeah, I have definitely run into the exact issue shown in this video.

As a side note, I can't believe not a single device manufacturer has been able to make a blackberry-style keyboard work with a modern phone. Texting is by far the #1 activity on smartphones and yet when it comes to typing we have somehow gone backwards since the mid 2000s.

[+] wdb|4 months ago|reply
For some reason I have English&German, English&French keyboards and it always screws writing I just want a German or French keyboard when writing in that language. It's driving me crazy sometimes.
[+] atonse|4 months ago|reply
Geez lord I can’t believe this ever made it out of testing.

Even all the text selection stuff stinks.

Honestly I’m about to disable Apple Intelligence. I don’t know what’s going on there.

What is everyone working on over at apple?

Anyone checked if this still happens (it typed that as “halles” which isn’t even a word!) even after disabling Apple Intelligence?

[+] javier2|4 months ago|reply
Most text selection has also completely broken overt he last couple of iOS versions.
[+] unsnap_biceps|4 months ago|reply
I've been driving myself crazy over this. This video is a smoking gun proof that it's just broken.
[+] javier2|4 months ago|reply
I thought I was just incapable of learning. I find it so difficult to write on my ios keyboard.
[+] gnubison|4 months ago|reply
iOS repeated “learns” new words that I use that are misspellings of real words (because I mistype things in a predictable way). It becomes so convinced that it will autocorrect the real word into the typo. And knowing how the keyboard works, I wouldn’t be surprised if it enlarges the touch targets for the typo once it thinks I meant to use the typo.

The cause is obvious: Apple is training on what I type, not what I send. Apple does not consider that I actually care about the accuracy of what I send and will fix errors; perhaps they optimize for people who are careless enough to send typoed messages, yet niche enough to commonly use words not in the default dictionary.

It is infuriating that I have ~50 manual corrections telling Apple to leave words alone and correct certain typos to the real words.

[+] wenc|4 months ago|reply
I thought it was just iOS not being responsive enough to my thumb-typing speed.

But this was very validating to watch.

I love my iPhone but hate the iOS typing experience. It's so bad that I bought an external foldable Bluetooth keyboard that I keep in my bag just so that I could type longer emails.

I miss my BlackBerry keyboard.

[+] firecall|4 months ago|reply
Oh wow!

I thought it was just me!

[+] louthy|4 months ago|reply
Finally, confirmation that I’m not going mad! I remember when I got my first iPhone, back in the day, and demoing to a friend how it was almost impossible to misspell something when typing fast. That is just not the case now. Typing performance has got worse and worse.

Just typing out this comment has been infuriating.

[+] smcleod|4 months ago|reply
I hope they invest some time in macOS, gosh it's become a right mess over the last 3-5 major releases - Tahoe is the worst of the bunch.
[+] brikym|4 months ago|reply
I'm still calling it liquid ass. The glass theme just makes things difficult to read for the sake of fashion.
[+] vunderba|4 months ago|reply
My Mac M1 is effectively permanently locked to Sonoma, and I have zero intention of upgrading beyond that. I was pretty happy with Monterey, but eventually some apps started requiring Sonoma as the min requirement. :(
[+] thiht|4 months ago|reply
Why? I honestly don’t see much of a difference in a day to day basis between Tahoe and whatever the previous version was. Tahoe looks slicker to me, but nothing really impacts how I work
[+] candiddevmike|4 months ago|reply
I'd bet you money within 5 years Apple will continue following Microsoft (after metro) and try "merging" macOS and iOS together into one OS, most likely iOS.
[+] paxys|4 months ago|reply
Macs make up 8% of Apple's revenue. That entire product line is basically a hobby compared to iPhone and its ecosystem.
[+] JumpCrisscross|4 months ago|reply
> Apple won’t quite launch ‘zero new features’ like they claimed with OS X Snow Leopard back in 2009, however. According to Gurman, Apple still plans to release a number of new AI features with iOS 27, so the company doesn’t continue to fall behind in the AI race.

Goddamit.

Zero new features is clean. It's communicable. It lets Cook, as he departs, harken back to quintessential Jobs. It will sell phones. It will sell Macs. And it implies perfection in a way only Apple, historically, has been able to nail and sell.

Nobody is buying an incremental iPhone or Mac because Siri recovered from lobotomy. The decision to water down zero new features with a douse of Giannandrea reeks of office politics.

[+] lapcat|4 months ago|reply
1) The "0 New Features" Mac OS X 10.6.0 came 22 months after 10.5.0, not 12 months

2) 10.6.0 included significant under-the-hood improvements but also brought some truly nasty new bugs and was significantly buggier than 10.5.8, released a few weeks prior

3) 10.6 received 23 months of subsequent minor bug fix updates, up to 10.6.8 v1.1

We'd need two Snow Leopards in a row just to match Snow Leopard purely in development time, but now there's a lot more preexisting technical debt built up after well over a decade of annual major releases.

[+] BooneJS|4 months ago|reply
“Snow Leopard”, the original OSX release that focused under the hood, returns. I’m glad to hear it.
[+] who-shot-jr|4 months ago|reply
Would like to switch to Linux but hardware/laptop options are horrible compared to MacBook M series machines.
[+] righthand|4 months ago|reply
Then please don’t make the leap. Because beyond your specific hardware design requirements that are “must be a macbook” there is a lot more trade offs you’re going to have to make. Letting go of your prudeness about what constitutes good and bad hardware should be the easiest barrier to cross.
[+] rjh29|4 months ago|reply
I have used Thinkpads for over a decade and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I can't imagine any scenario where a MacBook M chip would be required to be productive, it feels like a weird hill to die on.
[+] fsflover|4 months ago|reply
Try M1 or M2 with Asahi Linux.
[+] piskov|4 months ago|reply
I installed omarchy, gave it couple of days.

Well, I will stay on windows with wsl and macos in the foreseeable future.

[+] krtkush|4 months ago|reply
They need to fix Mac OS first. It’s one of the worst OS I have ever used - apps keep crashing, random UI/UX glitches and bad decisions overall.

I’ll probably ditch Mac if this degradation continues.

[+] alberth|4 months ago|reply
Are you primary using electron-based apps, or true native macOS apps?

Maybe I’m lucky but I run macOS daily without any problems.

(Yes, there’s annoying fit/finish issues in the UI - but no issues with stability)

[+] wskinner|4 months ago|reply
Yes. The impossible to disable system services (photoanalysisd and friends) are an abomination of software design.
[+] vondur|4 months ago|reply
I use MacOS daily on different machines and don't have that experience. I also manage many Mac's and I don't hear people reporting this kind of instability to me.
[+] tom_|4 months ago|reply
The article says this will apply to macOS as well.
[+] ChrisMarshallNY|4 months ago|reply
Good.

Mac OS has become a richly productive bug farm, lately.

I wonder if they'll ever get around to actually reading their bug reports, though...

[+] firecall|4 months ago|reply
Maybe it's just me, but if I was leading development of iOS, then a "Quality and Underlying Performance" focus would be the bedrock of anything that was modified or added to iOS.

How is it not? :-/

[+] lossolo|4 months ago|reply
Apple hardware is great, but the software has become complete garbage.

On my Apple Watch I have regularly occurring hiccups where the whole UI freezes, especially when I go into training mode to pick an exercise. On my iPhone, after the liquid glass update, I get a noticeable slowdown and stuttering FPS when moving from the widgets screen to the first page and in other parts of UI. I'm afraid to upgrade my MacBook to the new OS, so I don't.

[+] seec|4 months ago|reply
I wish they would rethink the Apple Watch altogether. The smart parts are useless and just not practical. The health tracking is good but it has poor battery life because of useless smarts. The sport stuff is just OK but viewing/using the data is completely terrible. I know I can use 3rd party apps (and I do) but I feel like Apple should be the one to do it considering the price.

On my iPhone, widget randomly don't refresh. Ah well, they can't be arsed to make them slightly interactive but now they just barely work.

Oh and recently, Apple Pay has decided to randomly bug out on my iPhone. It makes the POS bug out for some reason. Works with the watch. Rebooting did not fix.

I just don't comprehend how they can have so many regressions when things were just fine for a while.

[+] maffyoo|4 months ago|reply
my 83 year old mother was able to use (almost) all the features of iOS when she first got an iPhone, in 2012. It genuinely changed her life and meant she could participate in a world I dont think she ever expected to be comfortable in. She tried and failed to use a PC for years. Local library lessons, family time (and patience) etc, but she always needed support. the iPhone as different, it was simple to use with familiar user interactions with every app. Roll forwards to 2025, gradually bit by unnecessary bit bells, whistles and complexity has bled in from every angle. Last week I did a FaceTime call with her to help her log in to an app on her phone. She can do it fine on her iPad that hasn't been updated. this was like going back to her PC days - too complicated and giving her features she didn't ask for, or need.

what was it Steve Jobs said?

"If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or a better computer — so what? When you have a monopoly market share, the company is not any more successful. So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people. And they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision-making forums. And the companies forget what it means to make great products. Sort of the product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies who have no conception of a good product versus a bad product."

[+] grogenaut|4 months ago|reply
I've worked at companies that don't really have to sell on features. The product people still come up with new ideas constantly and don't pay attention to the quality. Heck, engineers will gin up new systems to build if they're bored.
[+] seec|4 months ago|reply
For marketing reasons (and App Store predatory capture) they decided to make the iPhone more like a computer. Yet I do not know a single "normal" iOS user who actually make use of all the stuff. They all ask me to do stuff on a "real" computer". Meanwhile I know how to use the "advanced" iOS bits but it is so convoluted and slow that I would rather not.

Special mention to "files management" with the most retarded counter-intuitive behavior one could think of. Even when you know how it will behave, it still feels like a mystery how you are going to find back your files. Especially since the "Files" app always open up to some random unexpected place.

They tried to "copy" Android more powerful features but failed because they want too much control and are insane with "security". Yet iOS lack the simplicity it once had. And iPadOS is still a joke as a real computer OS alternative.

So what's the point of it all.

[+] orloffm|4 months ago|reply
Yesterday I had my "death by a thousand strikes" moment with the children's iPad.

1. It was showing 4% of battery for a while, but then showed a pop-up that the battery level has dropped below 10% and suggested turning on the battery saver. 2. I entered iMessage via a notification, and it was unresponsive, I couldn't select the thread on the left. And there are in total 3 of them, not hundreds. Had to tap it multiple times. 3. Then I wanted to switch to the previous app, and the drag-the-line-up-slowly-to-show-apps menu was polluted with 8 copies of iMessage.

All of these should've been not only caught by some kind of internal testing, they should've not happened at all due to proper architecture of the system. iOS more and more feels as a collection of hacks that try to mimic the real thing.

[+] MBCook|4 months ago|reply
Start by kicking out Cook, MASSIVELY toning down Liquid Glass, fixing the Mac to look more Mac like, and stop shoving ads in my face.
[+] matty22|4 months ago|reply
I'd like Touch ID to start working again on my MacBook. After updating to Tahoe, it has just stopped working entirely to wake up my computer.

Also, every menu with double rounded borders needs to be cleaned up. The worst offender is the left side of the Finder, it looks absolutely horrible.

[+] trevorlsullivan|4 months ago|reply
side note, but have you guys tried using the AI feature in Xcode? its the biggest piece of trash i have ever used in my life. its unreal.
[+] slimebot80|4 months ago|reply
Why wait? Fix things now.

I brought a Pro Max last year, after owning a perfectly fine 13 mini for years, and just my luck the latest iOS seems to make everything worse.

Face detection. Navigating photos. Unresponsive Apps. Confusing as f*ck UI.

No idea why I spent so much money on a Pro phone, should of stuck with the 13 mini and refused to upgrade the OS.

[+] tacker2000|4 months ago|reply
Why do they even need to release a major version every year? Whats the point?

For the hardware, i get it, but the OS doesnt really drive sales, and if you have the pressure of releasing new amazing features every year then maintenance and bugs get left behind, and you end up in the situation that we have now…

[+] loloquwowndueo|4 months ago|reply
Holy shit so I will have to put up with iOS 26’s abysmal performance for almost a year? Nooo… this thing visibly and painfully struggles to keep up even on a brand-new iPhone 17. I was hoping for iOS 26 point releases fixing most of the garbage… sigh
[+] testdelacc1|4 months ago|reply
I don’t usually complain about UX issues because I’m not bothered by small things. I can’t recall having a problem with ios before ios26, when the screenshot tool stopped showing the screenshot after you took one. Instead it would automatically save it to the gallery, which is not what I wanted.

The workaround for this bug was to lock and unlock the screen. Not the worst thing, but it indicated a shocking lack of give-a-fuck in Cupertino. This is one of the most basic flows, which they shipped in a broken state.

[+] thenthenthen|4 months ago|reply
It does not show a preview of the screenshot anymore? Oh no, this function is a literal life saver for (to quickly translate things) :O