[marcinzm]

> There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors.

Your cell phone provider almost certainly will respond to a valid warrant and wire tap your non e2e encrypted phone call.

I'd be very surprised if the most common mode of remote communication in any time period was not subject to government interception in some format within a short time of becoming such. That includes physical mail, telegrams, landlines, cell phone calls, txt messages, emails, etc.

Referring to "how things used to be" is not in fact helping the case for privacy.

[pelotron]

I don't think people are arguing against complying with valid warrants. They object to blanket surveillance being done with tools available to any law officer that can be used at any time, warrant or not.

[marcinzm]

You cannot have true e2e encryption on a secure device and comply with a wiretap warrant without a backdoor of some kind somewhere.

[lisbbb]

Private companies are being used to hoover up massive amounts of data and circumvent legal protections such as warrants.

[mytailorisrich]

Of course they will respond to warrants, they have to, and nowadays they have the infrastructure to forward all traffic to law emforcement's servers in real-time.

[ceayo]

> and nowadays they have the infrastructure to forward all traffic to law enforcement's servers in real-time.

The goal should be, designing your infrastructure in such a way they simply cannot forward this traffic to law enforcement.