[ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6]

I consider myself progressive and my main issue with the technology is that it was created by stealing from people who have not been compensated in any way.

I wouldn’t blame any artist that is fundamentally against this tech in every way. Good for them.

[notJim]

Every artist and creator of anything learned by engaging with other people's work. I see training AI as basically the same thing. Instead of training an organic mind, it's just training a neural network. If it reproduces works that are too similar to the original, that's obviously an issue, but that's the same as human artists.

[_DeadFred_]

Human beings are human beings.

For profit products are for profit products, that are required to compensate if they are derivative of other works (in this case, there would be no AI product without the upstream training data, which checks the flag that it's derivative).

If you would like to change the laws, ok. But simply breaking them and saying 'but the machine is like a person' is still... just breaking the laws and stealing.

[dweinus]

This is a bad-faith argument, but even if I were to indulge it: human artists can/do get sued for mimicing the works of others for profit, which AI precisely does. Secondly, many of the works in question have explicit copyright terms that prohibit derivative works. They have built a multi-billion dollar industry on scaled theft. I don't see a more charitable interpretation.

[hackable_sand]

> I see training AI as basically the same thing

Of course you do.

[musicale]

It's "unauthorized use" rather than "stealing", since the original work is not moved anywhere. It's more like using your creative work to train a software system that generates similar-looking, competing works, for pennies, at industrial scale and speed.

[andrei_says_]

Obtaining without payment or consent and then using to create derivative works at scale?

And the pedantry matters only because the entities criming are too big and rich and financed by the right people.

It is basically a display of the societal threshold beyond which laws are not enforced.

[crimsoneer]

The pedantry matters for the same reason it mattered when the music industry did this to Napster: because the truth is important.

[jimbokun]

Ok Mr. (Or Ms.) Pedant you know what the intended meaning was.

[taco_emoji]

everybody knows this, you are being uselessly pedantic

[blackqueeriroh]

Many of those people have absolutely been compensated, many times over. Should they have a perpetual right to longer than their entire life, to profit off something they did 40 years ago?