> France isn't a safe country for open source privacy projects. They expect backdoors in encryption and for device access too. Secure devices and services are not going to be allowed.
If this is true, it's a bit concerning for Ledger users. One state-mandated firmware update away from losing all your crypto?
Fortunately it's not true. GrapheneOS seem https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480#m to be reacting to news coverage https://archive.ph/UrlvK saying that although legitimate uses exist, if GrapheneOS have connections to a criminal organization and refuse to cooperate with law enforcement, they could be prosecuted nonetheless:
« il existe pour une certaine partie des utilisateurs une réelle légitimité dans la volonté de protéger ses échanges. L’approche est donc différente. Mais ça ne nous empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice. »
Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid, assuming that the news coverage is laying the groundwork for prosecution on trumped-up charges. Notably, there doesn't appear to have been direct communication from law enforcement yet.
When all the remaining freedom fighters will flee out of all the oppressive states into the last remaining citadel of human rights, which may well turn out to be some drifting icefield in Arctic, and the oppression finally catches them up there, is there any plan B for the humankind?
"France isn't a safe country for open source privacy projects. They expect backdoors in encryption and for device access too. Secure devices and services are not going to be allowed. We don't feel safe using OVH for even a static website with servers in Canada/US via their Canada/US subsidiaries."
Would surprise me if they weren't moving out of France entirely.
"We never demonized Europe and our server in France moved to Switzerland, not North America. Most of our servers with OVH were in Beauharnois, Canada. Multiple of those Canadian OVH servers are now retired and the remaining 5 are going to be moved elsewhere too."
” In Canada and the US, refusing to provide a PIN/password is protected as part of the right to avoid incriminating yourself. In France, they've criminalized this part of the right to remain silent.”
In theory. In practice there's a case where a defendant is being held in contempt (jailed) for years now, for refusing to provide her encryption passwords. At that point both the 5th and the idea of contempt are busted.
r721|3 months ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46037573
Related:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45999024
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46035977
olalonde|3 months ago
If this is true, it's a bit concerning for Ledger users. One state-mandated firmware update away from losing all your crypto?
yorwba|3 months ago
« il existe pour une certaine partie des utilisateurs une réelle légitimité dans la volonté de protéger ses échanges. L’approche est donc différente. Mais ça ne nous empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice. »
Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid, assuming that the news coverage is laying the groundwork for prosecution on trumped-up charges. Notably, there doesn't appear to have been direct communication from law enforcement yet.
beeflet|3 months ago
wartywhoa23|3 months ago
alkindiffie|3 months ago
crossroadsguy|3 months ago
otikik|3 months ago
NSUserDefaults|3 months ago
leobg|3 months ago
letmetweakit|3 months ago
Would surprise me if they weren't moving out of France entirely.
throawayonthe|3 months ago
rickdeckard|3 months ago
p0w3n3d|3 months ago
ThePowerOfFuet|3 months ago
Out of the frying pan, into the fire?
alkindiffie|3 months ago
StrangeSound|3 months ago
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1994332742411022336#m
andsoitis|3 months ago
NitpickLawyer|3 months ago
In theory. In practice there's a case where a defendant is being held in contempt (jailed) for years now, for refusing to provide her encryption passwords. At that point both the 5th and the idea of contempt are busted.
p0w3n3d|3 months ago