[blackjack_]

I can drop in replace LLMs in my everyday usage. If OpenAI introduces ads, I will switch and never look back. They have no Moat, and right now the Chinese companies catch up shortly after the models are released… All these arguments about average people not knowing about other LLM companies can be fixed with a simple internet search or information sharing. No big deal.

[kumarvvr]

> I will switch and never look back

You are at the extreme tail end.

For most average users, that includes your average mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, cousins etc, chatGPT is a magical all knowing tool that mostly spits out good answers to their mundane questions. Just like Google does. But better. Instead of more clicking action and more load and more brain actions required in google, chatGPT simply gives you the answer.

We have to wait and watch if the product is going to be good. If so, there is going to be some drop in Google's value.

[eterm]

Overheard when I got my hair cut the other day,

> Where did you find us?

> ChatGPT

> Right, we're getting a lot of that, we do very well on there

For whatever reason, ChatGPT tends to recommend this one barber over all others in the town.

It's a decent barber, but the economic effect of being the barber that ChatGPT recommends is obviously significant.

Now I'm sure at first, any ads will be very clearly marked and separate from chat, just as google's first adverts were.

But over time that will degrade until they're seemlessly integrated into the chat experience.

[bopbopbop7]

My hacker news friends and I are all very high IQ and smart but everyone else is big dumb dumb.

[Cthulhu_]

> and right now the Chinese companies catch up shortly after the models are released…

This'll be the big one: if ChatGPT has ads but $service does not yet provides a similar service, they have nothing to stand on.

ChatGPT isn't unique, unlike Google at the time which was miles ahead at the time - and no (western) search engine has been able to catch up, even if they have less ads or better search results.

[klntsky]

Opensource LLMs are absolutely not on par with gpt-5 for any agentic workflows

[lordofgibbons]

Ads aren't added to agentic workflows. Agentic usage of gpt-5 is only available if you're a paying user.

[EagnaIonat]

Tool calling I've found takes a bit of work, but Ollama with gpt-oss:20b/120b run on my laptop and work quite well for 90% of the stuff I do.

So it's only a matter of time.

[beefnugs]

They dont have to be, they just have to be smart enough to remove anything that sounds like a brand from a "good cloud model". This is barely beyond if-else if we start tracking all brands doing the advertising

[ethmarks]

The average ChatGPT user isn't utilizing agentic workflows.

And even for the people that do, just because an LLM isn't absolutely state of the art doesn't invalidate it from being useful.