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sprash | 3 months ago

There is no X11 bitrot. Just a lack of funding. If funding for Wayland stopped today, Wayland would die much quicker than X11 because there is essentially zero community involvement whereas for X11 there are enough people that care to keep it alive for free.

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tapoxi|3 months ago

Wayland is nothing but community involvement, arguably to its detriment, because it is implemented independently by community projects.

There is no "Wayland" that can stop being developed. It is a protocol and a consensus, nothing more.

sprash|3 months ago

The only real Wayland community effort is Hyprland. The author of that has been banned from contributing to Wayland by the corporate sponsors of Wayland.

Hence there is no community.

Also the whole "there is no Wayland" "it's just a protocol" spiel has been played so often that I believe Wayland apologists are mostly bots.

gf000|3 months ago

Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support. Compared to the kernel it's more like YouTube $5 comments.

And given that Wayland has less moving pieces (it properly sits on top of kernel abstractions), your take is even less likely to be true.

dabockster|3 months ago

> Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support.

Ubuntu and RHEL exist, but you're right that they're outliers. This is potentially the next killer app if someone wants to take this on.

sprash|3 months ago

Desktop Linux needs standardized and stable infrastructure. X11 delivers on that perfectly.

Wayland despite receiving huge amounts funding has actually far more moving pieces. Even for the simplest tasks you have to deal with a dbus infested portal maze, many parallel infrastructure effects and high fragmentation. The API is atrociously stupid and cumbersome.

Besides that the modesetting driver of xorg also sits "properly on top of kernel abstractions". How is this in any ways a relevant criterion. What matters is that Wayland clearly makes the wrong abstractions for Desktop applications and the vast amount of parallel infrastructure required to do even the simplest tasks shows that.