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shakow | 3 months ago

> every single other result is even less likely.

But the summed probability of the “not too far away results” is much higher, i.e. P([93, 107]\{100}) > P([100]).

So if you only shoot 100/100 with your coin, that's definitely weird.

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tshaddox|3 months ago

Okay, but it doesn't make sense to arbitrarily group together some results and compare the probability of getting any 1 result in that group to getting 1 particular result outside of that group.

You could just as easily say "you should be suspicious if you flip a coin 200 times and get exactly 93 heads, because it's far more likely to get between 99 and 187 heads."

wat10000|3 months ago

It's suspicious when it lands on something that people might be biased towards.

For example, you take the top five cards, and you get a royal flush of diamonds in ascending order. In theory, this sequence is no more or less probable than any other sequence being taken from a randomly shuffled deck. But given that this sequence has special significance to people, there's a very good reason to think that this indicates that the deck is not randomly shuffled.

In theory terms, you can't just look at the probability of getting this result from a fair coin (or deck or whatever). You have to look at that probability, and the probability that the coin (deck etc.) is biased, and that a biased coin would produce the outcome you got.

If you flip a coin that feels and appears perfectly ordinary and you get exactly 100 heads and 100 tails, you should still be pretty confident that it's unbiased. If you ask somebody else to flip a coin 200 times, and you can't actually see them, and you know they're lazy, and they come back and report exactly 100/100, that's a good indicator they didn't do the flips.

fainpul|3 months ago

> So if you only shoot 100/100 with your coin, that's definitely weird.

Not if you only try once.

shakow|3 months ago

Even if you shoot only once, you still have a higher chance of hitting something slightly off the middle than the perfect 100/100. And this because that's one point-precise result (100/100) vs. a cumulated range of individually less-probable results, but more probable when taken as a whole.

For a fair coin, hitting 100/100 is ~5%, vs. ~30% falling in [97; 103] \ {100}. You can simulate here: https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/coin-flip-probabil...

kalaksi|3 months ago

I'm sorry, but try what once? 200 flips once?

grraaaaahhh|3 months ago

>But the summed probability of the “not too far away results” is much higher, i.e. P([93, 107]\{100}) > P([100]).

That's true of every result. If you're using this to conclude you have a weird coin then every coin is weird.