[alexashka]

> A society with a pragmatic regard for its own survival would ban it outright

Western society would cease to exist if it didn't continue its diabolical lies, falsehoods and abuse. The lies are not optional.

It is because of pragmatic regard for survival of the status quo that the lies do continue. That word 'pragmatic' is what keeps diabolical people from seeing themselves for what they are.

[lukan]

You say that like western culture is the worst here?

Where is it better? Russia? Where stating that a war is a war can get you in prison? China, where historical events, like 1989 at tianamen square are wiped out? North Korea where everyone cheers up to the beloved genius leader?

[scubbo]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-bitch-dats-a-whole-new-x-w...

[alexashka]

I imagine slave owners who didn't abuse their slaves felt quite righteous and even superior to other slave owners.

Where is it better? Who treats slaves better than I do, they'd say.

[venturecruelty]

Can we not critique something without whataboutism? We're not talking about China or Russia, where presumably scant few HN contributors live.

[cess11]

Stating that a particular ongoing genocide is a genocide can get you in quite a bit of trouble under "western culture".

I'm not so sure China or DPRK are as different as you make them out to be, and if you've got a point, I'm not so sure it will last more than a few years.