> It is unrealistic and immoral to expect people to accept the invasion of their ancestral homelands as some kind of moral good
"Invasion" is somewhat of a Motte-Bailey thing.
"We're being invaded!" "Oh no, how did this happen?" "We literally invited them over to work for us" "And they turned against us?" "No, they settled down and had families" "And became a majority, with their kids working against us?" "No, not yet, we're several generations in to this and the migrants are still a minority, but a large enough minority that they stopped seeming exotic and mysterious. And when they do go into politics, they only win power if they're moderate and friendly, like the Mayor of London, where the Muslim one was pleasantly boring in comparison to his blonde white and very posh predecessor."
Doubly so as one bit of Europe is currently doing a rather more violent invasion of another bit of Europe. The agressor is theoretically Christian.
And for all that I'd be stoned in an actual Sharia Law nation for at least three distinct reasons, medieval Christian values would've burned me at the stake for those same things, and modern American Christian extremism isn't friendly to me either.
Yes, most were "invited". But consider the growing backlash and how it is dismissed by the establishment and one has to wonder what is going on.
> "And they turned against us?" "No, they settled down and had families"
Disingenuous. They settled down and had families and are increasing turning against European values and culture because numbers increasingly allow.
> "No, not yet, we're several generations in to this and the migrants are still a minority, but a large enough minority that they stopped seeming exotic and mysterious"
Large enough that they can push for their culture and values against local ones. Demographic trends are almost unstoppable now, which I think is the raised alarm on the issue (no-one would care much if a small minority remained a small minority).
The rest of your comment is just whataboutism and empty of argument.
Edit: Now I see that the comment you replied to has been flagged. This is really what I mean by suppression of dissenting opinion... really worrying.
ben_w|2 months ago
"Invasion" is somewhat of a Motte-Bailey thing.
"We're being invaded!" "Oh no, how did this happen?" "We literally invited them over to work for us" "And they turned against us?" "No, they settled down and had families" "And became a majority, with their kids working against us?" "No, not yet, we're several generations in to this and the migrants are still a minority, but a large enough minority that they stopped seeming exotic and mysterious. And when they do go into politics, they only win power if they're moderate and friendly, like the Mayor of London, where the Muslim one was pleasantly boring in comparison to his blonde white and very posh predecessor."
Doubly so as one bit of Europe is currently doing a rather more violent invasion of another bit of Europe. The agressor is theoretically Christian.
And for all that I'd be stoned in an actual Sharia Law nation for at least three distinct reasons, medieval Christian values would've burned me at the stake for those same things, and modern American Christian extremism isn't friendly to me either.
mytailorisrich|2 months ago
> "And they turned against us?" "No, they settled down and had families"
Disingenuous. They settled down and had families and are increasing turning against European values and culture because numbers increasingly allow.
> "No, not yet, we're several generations in to this and the migrants are still a minority, but a large enough minority that they stopped seeming exotic and mysterious"
Large enough that they can push for their culture and values against local ones. Demographic trends are almost unstoppable now, which I think is the raised alarm on the issue (no-one would care much if a small minority remained a small minority).
The rest of your comment is just whataboutism and empty of argument.
Edit: Now I see that the comment you replied to has been flagged. This is really what I mean by suppression of dissenting opinion... really worrying.