[kfarr]

Yeah I feel like the real ah ha moment is still coming once there is a GPT-like thing that has been trained on reality, not its shadow.

[chongli]

Yes and reality is the hard part. Moravec’s Paradox [1] continues to ring true. A billion years of evolution went into our training to be able to cope with the complexity of reality. Our language is a blink of an eye compared to that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox

[baq]

Reality cannot be perceived. A crisp shadow is all you can hope for.

The problem for me is the point of the economy in the limit where robots are better, faster and cheaper than any human at any job. If the robots don’t decide we’re worth keeping around we might end up worse than horses.

[agos]

but that crisp shadow is exactly what we call perception

[qsera]

Look I think that is the whole difficulty. In reality, doing the wrong thing results in pain, and the right thing in relief/pleasure. A living thing will learn from that.

But machines can experience neither pain nor pleasure.