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nalnq | 2 months ago

If the pensions in Italy are anything like in Spain, she’s making more money off it than young people are making working. Plus she’s probably defrauding the pension system by both collecting her pension and working.

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bojan|2 months ago

Is it defrauding it if you contributed to it all your working life?

lotsofpulp|2 months ago

A defined benefit pension (or any other retiree benefit such as healthcare) is a claim on future productivity.

“Contributing” cash to it may not be enough, if the cash didn’t convert into sufficient automation to offset declines in humans due to declining birthrates.

So the question gets more interesting if it’s “Was contributing whatever amount calculated (using tenuous assumptions) many decades ago enough, especially if you chose not to have well raised kids who in turn could provide society with the retiree benefits?”

And then that opens up a can of worms about who was and was not expected to have well raised kids, and it gets messy very quickly, yet at the same time, we see a clear macro problem of taking more and more from a smaller young population and giving it to a bigger and bigger old population.

nalnq|2 months ago

Yes. You can’t work and collect a pension.