[MLgulabio]

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[ceejayoz]

NYC has 8M people and 2M cars. Manhattan has like a 22% car ownership rate, and it's… not the poor people. https://www.hunterurban.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Car-L...

A parking spot will cost you more than rent in some other cities.

[MLgulabio]

This doesn't change my argument at all.

The more money you have, more you benefit from this ruling. Now you can buy a service which was not possible before.

[acdha]

Because that’s not true. Cars are expensive compared to transit everywhere, but especially so in NYC. This was studied a lot before congestion pricing was implemented and only something like 2% of poor people were going to pay congestion charges. This did not stop a bunch of rich suburbanites from using them as a prop to demand that the city subsidize their lifestyle at the expense of NYC taxpayers, of course.

https://www.cssny.org/news/entry/the-cost-of-killing-congest...

[JumpCrisscross]

> curious why no one is discussing this but this is basically a middle finger for poor people

Because the poor don’t drive in New York, and to the extent they do, they likely qualify for an exemption.

[magguzu]

You are assuming a car is required.

The whole issue with car dependency is that it is a massive barrier for participating in society.

Public transit is orders of magnitude cheaper, and very viable and often the better option in the New York area.

[gWPVhyxPHqvk]

> and often the better option

Even before congestion pricing this was the major factor. It's often quicker, more reliable, more pleasant, and has less variation in delays to ride the train/subway in NYC. Speaking from personal experience I could easily eat the congestion charge to daily commute into Manhattan, and I'd rather still take the train because I can do my mindless scrolling or read a book during that time.

The only time I've found that a car is better is during the weekends with a group larger than about 4 people. The train schedules are terrible, the commute time isn't bad, and the price per ticket (assuming you're coming from the outer suburbs) vs parking and tolls works out to be a wash.

[nemomarx]

I don't think poor people who lived in NYC were driving that often anyway? cars are expensive to begin with and parking is crazy in that part of the city

[tantalor]

Concern trolling.

[MLgulabio]

Whats concern trolling?

This mechanism allows people with more money to enjoy driving in the city or is this congestion prcing based on your salary? no its not its based on the time in the city independent of what you make.

A person with their high end car and miillions now can buy himself a nice little drive into the city while everyone else can't.

[saubeidl]

Maybe nobody should be driving a car in an urban core? Baby steps...

[ixtli]

you clearly dont live here or you'd know that the poor of NYC are not the ones that own cars. they're the ones that take public transit. also, there are state benefits that offset congestion pricing and other fees for people who are poor

[kccqzy]

And yes let’s think of the poor people who have no choice but to drive into Midtown and downtown for work.

Have you ever talked to poor people in NYC?

[rangestransform]

the only poor people driving personal cars in manhattan are projects residents with their taxpayer-subsidized parking spot

[MLgulabio]

"poor" is relative. Ever thought about this?

Should i said poorer people who still need a car to drive in NYC to make it more understandable to the hn crowed Oo?!