[Shin--]

Good. Unsurprising (well, known), but good. In fact, the world would be a better place if the US would not use their influence to try to keep other countries down.

[tonyhart7]

"In fact, the world would be a better place if the US would not use their influence to try to keep other countries down."

acting like china wouldn't doing the same thing to other country if they ever weld such position

every great power would do the same thing to defend their position, its not unique to the US. only because current incumbent power is we see things this way

[epolanski]

When china will do it, I'll judge them for it.

[kelseyfrog]

If I don't make the world worse then someone else will is such a depressing state of affairs.

If that's the mentality, then what's worth fighting over? We should give up because we don't even deserve the rewards.

[throawayonthe]

china's global status was obtained very differently from the US, its material interests and levers of influence are different

if china was in the same position as the us it would just be the us; obviously this is not inherent to nationality, but material conditions

[sneak]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

[esafak]

The player has the power to change the game.

[watwut]

China banned them tho.

[Matl]

China banned them AFTER the US first banned them and then unbanned them and a series of unfriendly trade moves by the US.

This discussion where China is always purely dishonest, bad etc. without any context is honestly lame.

The Chinese ban is largely a political move designed to signal that they're not going to be pushed around. They pretty much know companies are using them, (and H100 in Thailand etc.) but as long as it sends a message and over time incentives domestic development, (which it does), then good as far as they're concerned.

It's certainly better than the EU just rolling over for King Donald, which as a EU citizen is embarrassing.

[remarkEon]

It’s debatable whether it’s a better use of US power and resources to try to stop PRC from obtaining these chips versus, say, sinking the Chinese fishing fleets actively wrecking entire ecosystems. I probably agree with you that on balance working on the later problem has a higher long term ROI.

[pembrook]

I agree that a fair playing field for everyone would be the ideal state.

But let's not pretend China doesn't use their influence to keep other countries down as well, and let's not pretend they allow a fair playing field for foreign competitors domestically either.

The US would not have imposed these targeted sanctions if China simply wanted to fairly compete in the marketplace.

[dlisboa]

The US sanctions have nothing to do with free market maximalism. I thought that was quite obvious historically and specially now. They've imposed tariffs on literally every country on the planet.

[xadhominemx]

China has promised to wage war and forcibly subjugate Taiwan, a democratic ally and critical trade partner. If China backed off Taiwan for a few decades, I think the US would drop export controls.

[dialectical]

>If China backed off Taiwan for a few decades, I think the US would drop export controls.

Total historical illiteracy. if only there was an island nation immediately southeast of the US we could look to for information on how America treats countries that try the whole "back off" thing