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nuggets | 2 months ago

There's not really any plausible explanation as to why referrals to pediatric gender clinics became so skewed towards girls who want to be boys, other than social contagion.

The sticking point is that it's politically controversial to point this out because of progressive beliefs about gender identity as an unquestionable facet of someone's being.

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yosame|2 months ago

I'm pretty sure this take is incorrect on multiple accounts. Trans demographics tend to skew towards trans women by about a third, not trans men - at least in all the research I've come across.

And regardless, increased acceptance and awareness of different gender identities can very plausibily explain increased numbers, not "social contagion". Calling it a contagion is pretty indicative of your underlying beliefs here.

yearolinuxdsktp|2 months ago

No plausible explanation? I disagree.

It’s about the social safety of transitioning. The paper you referenced is from the UK, which is famously a TERF island (trans-exclusionary radical feminists). In the TERF island, it’s much less safe to be a trans woman than a trans man. Adolescents can sense the risk of being a trans woman is much higher, so many trans women stay in the closet and don’t come out.

nuggets|2 months ago

Then why were there more boys who want to be girls referred prior to a decade ago, compared to girls who want to be boys?

The radical feminist movement in the UK has existed much longer than this, since around the late 1960s to early 1970s.

pryce|2 months ago

To claim there are not really any other candidates for a skew (in that direction or the other) you would have to (like Shrier herself) go out of your way to not bother to talk to trans people, or their doctors, or their families, or sociologists, or talk to any of the people who spend their lives researching gender, what it means, how it affects us, what assumptions we make, whether those ideas stack up when confronted with empirical research, etc etc. I'm not really interested in discussing further with a 30 minute old account.

nuggets|2 months ago

What is your alternative explanation for why referrals have so sharply skewed towards girls who want to be boys, within the past decade or so?

It is doctors who first drew attention to this phenomenon. See for example Tavistock whistleblower David Bell.

heavyset_go|2 months ago

There's not really any plausible explanation as to why so many left-handed students tend to skew towards boys, rather than girls, other than social contagion.

When my parents were kids, there were no left-handed kids. Social contagion is the only explanation for as to why there are suddenly so many left-handed kids today, especially since many of them are boys and not girls.

nuggets|2 months ago

But the adult demographic of left-handers doesn't have, and didn't have, a sex ratio skewed in the opposite direction to the youth demographic. So how is this a relevant comparison?

pseudalopex|2 months ago

People assigned male at birth come out later than people assigned female at birth on average. Trans men and trans women receive different stigma. Many AFAB children and adolescents referred to gender clinics identify as non binary. AMAB non binary people reported less acceptance in LGBT circles even. And biology could be a factor.

nuggets|2 months ago

That perhaps indicates that these are distinct phenomena and shouldn't be lumped into the same category.

nxor|2 months ago

You are correct. And when they try to undermine you they prove your point. There are more mtf people than ftm people because until recently, the it was not a trend among teen girls.