[casparvitch]

> My very personal opinion is bureaucracy, fat bureaucracy, damned bureaucracy, expensive bureaucracy: believing you can have a better world by regulations IS stupid, and so on... the whole idea of an elite who is elite 'cause is using it's brain, while out there other need to be forced 'cause they are no (so should just obey and not use their brain) is stupid.

> E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)

These sound like aesthetic arguments, and you can make those decisions as a nation whether you're in the EU or not.